Iran conflict, air space closures : effects on BA
#301




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This evening at DXB aircraft are departing the South-East facing runways (12R/L) and landing on the North-West facing runways (30L/R).
This would suggest that the authorities feel that flying low over the coast either on arrival or landing is the higher risk activity.
Indeed all of the missile/drone activity has arrived in Dubai from the North, which is of course the direction of Iran.
Assuming operations continue like that they will be limited in capacity.
This would suggest that the authorities feel that flying low over the coast either on arrival or landing is the higher risk activity.
Indeed all of the missile/drone activity has arrived in Dubai from the North, which is of course the direction of Iran.
Assuming operations continue like that they will be limited in capacity.
#302




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LCA (Larnaca) now included in rebooking guidance:
https://www.britishairways.com/trave...-policy#latest
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...-policy#latest
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#303




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I hear it was 3 sets of Crew from DXB and one from AUH. Plus a couple of other airlines asked for help with their Crew once they heard the 787 is coming and BA happily obliged.
So for once. Well done.
Saying that it was far from an easy journey for all involved, but I wont go into details for obvious reasons. Other Crews in the region have been repatriated via other countries and means.
The UK government is looking to organise repatriation flights for stranded uk citizens, so are other countries I hear so this will be another major operation to get going.
#304




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i was meant to be flying at 1600 back to LHR from LCA and after about 1.5 hours of waiting and dealing with them on the phone, they booked me with Aegean to Athens and the 20:10 back to LHR both in J, as per my original ticket (although it was an avios ticket and there weren't avios avail on the ba leg so they booked a paid seat it seems ) . I was glad to get out of there to my two little kids at home i needed to get back to. really didnt want to get stuck. what i found annoying and unfair is how long they took to update it was cancelled on the app/website. on my app and on flightradar etc it said delayed and kept getting more delayed. when i spoke on the phone she said it was cancelled but this wasnt announced until 40 mins later. why leave people waiting when internally you know it's delayed.
for once I dont think they did that intentionally. The situation is very fluid and I am not sure if there was a plane at LCA to take you back, anyways there is a lot of risk assessment to be done and other considerations need to be taken. I have seen it the other way before where Customers told Crew whilst onboard, that the flight is cancelled when the operating crew had no idea.
it is not the easiest of situations right now in this world and you got back home safely so thats the main thing as you say although it was a bit inconvenient.
#305




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for once I dont think they did that intentionally. The situation is very fluid and I am not sure if there was a plane at LCA to take you back, anyways there is a lot of risk assessment to be done and other considerations need to be taken. I have seen it the other way before where Customers told Crew whilst onboard, that the flight is cancelled when the operating crew had no idea.
it is not the easiest of situations right now in this world and you got back home safely so thats the main thing as you say although it was a bit inconvenient.
it is not the easiest of situations right now in this world and you got back home safely so thats the main thing as you say although it was a bit inconvenient.
#306




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The problems are:
Interceptions are not/can not be 100%
The US and Israeli's have cut the usual command and control of the Iranian systems so there is no one to talk to who can "guarantee" that no one will shoot at Dubai or any other specific target. Most Iran missile and drone systems seem to be under "local" control so who and why the target is unknown.
Third, airliners have to fly through the space these projectiles occupy, Thus a drone headed for somewhere other than Dubai may hit an aircraft leaving Dubai and transiting that same airspace.
Then finally you have the issue of the Kuwaiti's who same willing to shoot down ANYBODY who gets near them, friend or foe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y4v8gndz1o
No, I nor anybody I liked would not be flying from or to Dubai for many more days. No until it is much more quiet.
All the best.
Interceptions are not/can not be 100%
The US and Israeli's have cut the usual command and control of the Iranian systems so there is no one to talk to who can "guarantee" that no one will shoot at Dubai or any other specific target. Most Iran missile and drone systems seem to be under "local" control so who and why the target is unknown.
Third, airliners have to fly through the space these projectiles occupy, Thus a drone headed for somewhere other than Dubai may hit an aircraft leaving Dubai and transiting that same airspace.
Then finally you have the issue of the Kuwaiti's who same willing to shoot down ANYBODY who gets near them, friend or foe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y4v8gndz1o
No, I nor anybody I liked would not be flying from or to Dubai for many more days. No until it is much more quiet.
All the best.
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#309


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The drone attack to Akrotiri, affecting the LCA services came about two hours after the UK Government announced the approval for partial use of their air bases by the USA.
The alleged Iranian drone attack would had left Iran 9 hours prior with a perfect timing before the announcement.
Instead there are 4 territories from which it would have reached Cyprus within two hours: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Israel.
Now we hear a lot of news regarding the USA moving assets away from their bases in Spain. Spain have been very critical of the Government of Israel actions lately and not supportive of military action in Iran.
How likely is an attack then in the few days in one of these Spanish/USA bases? The relevance here would be effect on Gibraltar and Seville services.
The alleged Iranian drone attack would had left Iran 9 hours prior with a perfect timing before the announcement.
Instead there are 4 territories from which it would have reached Cyprus within two hours: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Israel.
Now we hear a lot of news regarding the USA moving assets away from their bases in Spain. Spain have been very critical of the Government of Israel actions lately and not supportive of military action in Iran.
How likely is an attack then in the few days in one of these Spanish/USA bases? The relevance here would be effect on Gibraltar and Seville services.
#310




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I've got a booking next month in April with BA for business class return from UK to Sydney via Doha (operated by Qatar). All 4 legs are 'D' code flights (flexible).
Given that UK government advice is not to travel to Doha, do you reckon BA would let me swap these now for a route via HKG or SIN? Or will I need to sit and wait until closer to the time?
Given that UK government advice is not to travel to Doha, do you reckon BA would let me swap these now for a route via HKG or SIN? Or will I need to sit and wait until closer to the time?
#311


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However, the UAE have an early warning aircraft in the air 24/7, they can see missile launching almost immediately. It takes a while for Iranian missiles/drones to reach UAE. Im sure that they are confident that its safe, until they think it isnt. Aviation is the most safe form of transportation because of the rules that apply.
When the tide is low and visibility is high, it may be possible to see the shores of Iran from the top of the skyscraper.
#312


Join Date: Nov 2017
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This evening at DXB aircraft are departing the South-East facing runways (12R/L) and landing on the North-West facing runways (30L/R).
This would suggest that the authorities feel that flying low over the coast either on arrival or landing is the higher risk activity.
Indeed all of the missile/drone activity has arrived in Dubai from the North, which is of course the direction of Iran.
Assuming operations continue like that they will be limited in capacity.
This would suggest that the authorities feel that flying low over the coast either on arrival or landing is the higher risk activity.
Indeed all of the missile/drone activity has arrived in Dubai from the North, which is of course the direction of Iran.
Assuming operations continue like that they will be limited in capacity.
#313

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I've got a booking next month in April with BA for business class return from UK to Sydney via Doha (operated by Qatar). All 4 legs are 'D' code flights (flexible).
Given that UK government advice is not to travel to Doha, do you reckon BA would let me swap these now for a route via HKG or SIN? Or will I need to sit and wait until closer to the time?
Given that UK government advice is not to travel to Doha, do you reckon BA would let me swap these now for a route via HKG or SIN? Or will I need to sit and wait until closer to the time?
#314


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I hear it was 3 sets of Crew from DXB and one from AUH. Plus a couple of other airlines asked for help with their Crew once they heard the 787 is coming and BA happily obliged.
So for once. Well done.
Saying that it was far from an easy journey for all involved, but I wont go into details for obvious reasons. Other Crews in the region have been repatriated via other countries and means.
The UK government is looking to organise repatriation flights for stranded uk citizens, so are other countries I hear so this will be another major operation to get going.
So for once. Well done.
Saying that it was far from an easy journey for all involved, but I wont go into details for obvious reasons. Other Crews in the region have been repatriated via other countries and means.
The UK government is looking to organise repatriation flights for stranded uk citizens, so are other countries I hear so this will be another major operation to get going.
#315


Join Date: Sep 2015
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Have been getting the run around all day from BA regarding refund for upcoming flight to Dubai. Planning to send the following to BA. Do I send it to Customer Services by letter (I’ve little faith in them) or do I go to the top and email Sean Doyle?
Ticket bought 03/05.25 for travel ABZ-LHR-DXB return.
Due to fly 06/03/26.
BA website confirms “If you are due to fly between London Heathrow and Abu Dhabi, Amman, Bahrain, Doha, Dubai or Tel Aviv up to and including 15 March you can change your flight date free of charge to travel on or before 29 March. Customers travelling up to and including 8 March may also request a full refund”.
Tried to cancel via MMB however it was not giving full refund and charging 70 fee cancellation for my wife and myself.
Contacted live chat as per enclosed screenshots who advised that my return flight on 14th March was not affected despite pointing out that my outbound flight was on 6th March and fell within the full refund as noted above. Essentially the cancellation was my issue and there would be a 70 charge.
Cancelled my booking via MMB and 130 refund + 100K Avios being refunded. Should be 200 for full refund.
Submitted complaint Ref: XXXXXXXX and later received and email confirming case closed. Refer to enclosed email and case history.
Ticket bought 03/05.25 for travel ABZ-LHR-DXB return.
Due to fly 06/03/26.
BA website confirms “If you are due to fly between London Heathrow and Abu Dhabi, Amman, Bahrain, Doha, Dubai or Tel Aviv up to and including 15 March you can change your flight date free of charge to travel on or before 29 March. Customers travelling up to and including 8 March may also request a full refund”.
Tried to cancel via MMB however it was not giving full refund and charging 70 fee cancellation for my wife and myself.
Contacted live chat as per enclosed screenshots who advised that my return flight on 14th March was not affected despite pointing out that my outbound flight was on 6th March and fell within the full refund as noted above. Essentially the cancellation was my issue and there would be a 70 charge.
Cancelled my booking via MMB and 130 refund + 100K Avios being refunded. Should be 200 for full refund.
Submitted complaint Ref: XXXXXXXX and later received and email confirming case closed. Refer to enclosed email and case history.


