BA ANNOUNCEMENT - BA to move to a spend based Tier Point system From 1st April 2025
#2821

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brighton, UK
Programs: BA Gold, IC Ambassador, HH Gold, SPG Gold, Fairmont Platinum
Posts: 3,167
This seems a very ill-thought out change. You are literally inviting the wealthy to purchase status merely by routing their hotel spend through BA.
As for me, I have been gold since 2005 through purely personal spend. I have at times been on the verge of GGL. I have deliberately flown BA (or if not possible OW) for tier points to maintain status. As a result, I tend to use Avios only for upgrades or the annual BA 2for voucher. I fly a lot of CE and long haul first, so apart from the Gold lounges at LHR and LGW, BA arent giving me much for my status that is not included in the fare.
20k is just not going to happen.
My 20th year of gold will be my last, unless I eventually hit GfL - I am still a bit short of that.
For me the upside is going to be spending my stash of avios and choosing flights in future on routing and value. Ill get to see new airlines and new lounges.
Whatever we call it, BAEC is supposed to be a loyalty programme. When I joined in 1993, it was viewed as exclusive and business orientated, but it evolved to reward loyalty more than just being one of the in-crowd. And so history repeats itself
BA are now rewarding business travellers on corporate contracts that require BA/OW flights. They have no choice and with year end rebates spend nothing like the nominal fare price on which their status is based.
Meanwhile, people like me, who determine where to spend their own money are lost business. Very clever.
Oh, and I am a bean counter and no decent business accountant would have claimed this decision made
commercial sense.
#2822




Join Date: Aug 2024
Location: Londonish, UK + regularly Denmark & San Francisco.
Programs: Royal Jordanian Gold Sparrow (bye, bye BA Silver!), SAS Gold, Hilton Honors Diamond.
Posts: 206
My response from BA to my email complaining about these changes.
"Your feedback to British Airways
I'm sorry you were disappointed to learn of the changes being made to our Executive Club. It's always a concern when we have not met our customers' expectations and we understand why you needed to let us know about it.
As our customers’ needs and reasons for travelling have continued to evolve, we are continually looking into ways to improve our Executive Club. Your comments are important to us and we do take care to listen to our customers to ensure we provide the best service possible. Whilst I understand you're disappointed with the upcoming change, we do feel this will be a positive change for the Executive Club.
Thank you for contacting us.
Best regards
******
British Airways Customer Relations"
"Your feedback to British Airways
I'm sorry you were disappointed to learn of the changes being made to our Executive Club. It's always a concern when we have not met our customers' expectations and we understand why you needed to let us know about it.
As our customers’ needs and reasons for travelling have continued to evolve, we are continually looking into ways to improve our Executive Club. Your comments are important to us and we do take care to listen to our customers to ensure we provide the best service possible. Whilst I understand you're disappointed with the upcoming change, we do feel this will be a positive change for the Executive Club.
Thank you for contacting us.
Best regards
******
British Airways Customer Relations"
“I don’t need a generic response to this like the ones I’ve seen on X. I’ve worked in customer support and know they’re just standard templates. I just wanted to provide some perspective on your decision for when you evaluate its effects down the line.”
However, I do expect a generic template response is exactly what I’ll get. I’d honestly prefer not to get a reply at all. Especially because that response is clearly a pre-written template, which the individual agent can add to if they feel like it. As I said, I’ve worked in customer support (for a railway company here in the UK). We had templates for everything rather than us having to compose something and also to ensure consistency in the responses sent out. “We’re sorry you were affected by the tree on the line/fatality/signalling problem/points failure/heavy snowfall/sheep on the tracks/passenger taken ill. We understand this must have been very disappointing. We hope you will continue to travel with us, and we apologise again for having let you down on this occasion. Etc. Etc.”
BA is the same. It’s just copy/pasting and hoping that will appease us. It doesn’t appease me, of course. However, amongst other things in my letter, which I shan’t bore the forum with, I also wrote, “Kind regards, and a supportive hug to all those in customer support who have to try to defend what they had no part in to a horde of angry people.”
It is a thankless job. Thank God mine was just a secondment. I went back to my normal job a week after finishing training. Crap pay for having to defend decisions you had no part in and cannot influence. Spare a thought for the customer service agents these days. They’re working hard for a salary that wouldn’t get them anywhere near Bronze under the new TP rules…
Last edited by Prospero; Jan 3, 2025 at 1:10 pm Reason: Adjust text colour
#2824




Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Southampton
Posts: 329
Ah well, Badnewsfairy was right. I'm sure someone can do better than I managed in 5 minutes but...... https://suno.com/song/f1eba939-bca4-...2-4bb55be26ca3
#2825
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: May 2000
Location: TPA
Posts: 16,197
Are people really expecting personalized responses to hundreds or (thousands) of similar complaints about the same thing all being made at about the same time??
How many ways can BA word the same response?
How many ways can BA word the same response?
#2826




Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Leeds, UK
Programs: Mucci BAEC GGL/CCR FB Ultimate(thank you BA) Hilton Diamond IHG Diamond Ambassador Stena Platinum
Posts: 1,402
My response from BA to my email complaining about these changes.
"Your feedback to British Airways
I'm sorry you were disappointed to learn of the changes being made to our Executive Club. It's always a concern when we have not met our customers' expectations and we understand why you needed to let us know about it.
As our customers needs and reasons for travelling have continued to evolve, we are continually looking into ways to improve our Executive Club. Your comments are important to us and we do take care to listen to our customers to ensure we provide the best service possible. Whilst I understand you're disappointed with the upcoming change, we do feel this will be a positive change for the Executive Club.
Thank you for contacting us.
Best regards
******
British Airways Customer Relations"
"Your feedback to British Airways
I'm sorry you were disappointed to learn of the changes being made to our Executive Club. It's always a concern when we have not met our customers' expectations and we understand why you needed to let us know about it.
As our customers needs and reasons for travelling have continued to evolve, we are continually looking into ways to improve our Executive Club. Your comments are important to us and we do take care to listen to our customers to ensure we provide the best service possible. Whilst I understand you're disappointed with the upcoming change, we do feel this will be a positive change for the Executive Club.
Thank you for contacting us.
Best regards
******
British Airways Customer Relations"
Classic sorry, not sorry.
I QA serious complaint responses as part of my role, and I always delete that sort of thing..
#2829




Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Krakow
Programs: BAC Bronze, Miles and More(FTL), IHG(Platinum), Accor, HHonors(Diamond), SPG, Hertz Five Star
Posts: 9,375
IMO, EXP is the easiest to get bc I can just spend my way with credit card spend.
Here in Poland I cannot get a BA card never mind an AA card
#2830



Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 961
Zero to GGL in less than a week with only 1 return flight on BA metal. And the irony is that BA won't see much of the 65k spend, as most of that will go to the hotel.
#2831
Community Director




Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Norwich, UK
Programs: A3*G, MH Platinum, BA Silver and sinking, BD Gold (in memoriam), IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 9,279
Putting my Community Director hat on, I'm hugely impressed by the thoughtfulness and restraint so many people here have put into their posts which have clearly been made in good faith.
The impact on many people is considerable, in hassle terms if nothing else, and I think the most charitable thing I can say is that it's a pity not everyone can recognise that and have some empathy.
The impact on many people is considerable, in hassle terms if nothing else, and I think the most charitable thing I can say is that it's a pity not everyone can recognise that and have some empathy.
#2832
FlyerTalk Evangelist and Ambassador: The British Airways Club




Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Diam, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 33,203
Quite, if you complaint, I suspect the idea would be merely to add to the tally of displeasure so that BAEC get a sense of magnitude, but surely, the point is not to get an answer, let alone a meaningful one?
#2833




Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,094
Personally I am currently about 9k nTPs worth of bookings off retaining GGL next year.
My initial reaction was that I would stomach it, but I now feel that if BA aren't going to make the effort to make future GGL retention at least plausible, I will just (excuse me) wipe my chin and walk away.
There are plenty of *A and SkyTeam possibilities for the EDI flyer.

My initial reaction was that I would stomach it, but I now feel that if BA aren't going to make the effort to make future GGL retention at least plausible, I will just (excuse me) wipe my chin and walk away.
There are plenty of *A and SkyTeam possibilities for the EDI flyer.

#2834




Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold Guest List, HH Lifetime Diamond,
Posts: 209

