Delta Calls Police on Customer Seeking Lost Baggage
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Just for clarification, my original thread title was "DL BOS Baggage Agent Calls Police on Customer for Recording Exchange." Somebody at FT changed it to its current title.
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The DailyMail has a slightly different version of the story. According to Daily Mail, the manager did arrive to speak to that customer, but was called away to deal with a medical emergency. The manager asked one of his staff to help the customer. The customer completed the form, but then insisted on getting the manager's name. That was when things went side way....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-manager.html
May be the agent was over reacting, but I did not know a manager's name is required on a damage claim. Last time my luggage was damaged by Lufthansa, the baggage agent gave me a form with only her signature. Does the Delta form requires a manager's signature?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-manager.html
May be the agent was over reacting, but I did not know a manager's name is required on a damage claim. Last time my luggage was damaged by Lufthansa, the baggage agent gave me a form with only her signature. Does the Delta form requires a manager's signature?
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When it was my turn I got everything I needed and more from the young lady working. I handed her a starbucks gift card and said please enjoy some coffee on me after your shift you deserve it. It is amazing what honey will get over vinegar......
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Without taking sides here, you have to be careful about recording. Some states have very broad prohibitions against secret recording - so-called two-party states. Exceptions for public meetings, police, are quite limited. However, if you upfront state you are recording, you can proceed and it is up to the other party to stop talking or leave.
Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
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That's not what the statute says, and not how it applies in other jurisdictions. I think you are mixing up Fourth Amendment law with statutory law here.
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It doesn't matter what the other person wants. If you are making recording openly, you can record as much as you want - even if the other person doesn't want you to. It's their choice to stop engaging with you if they don't want to be recorded.
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If some DL employee or contracted employee working for DL called the police, it's the same as DL calling the police because the employee or contractor is an agent for DL. Maybe it would be better for DL if we could say that DL called the police and make it sound like some anonymous computer was responsible for actually calling the police.
Sorry wasn't calling you out or anything.
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Without taking sides here, you have to be careful about recording. Some states have very broad prohibitions against secret recording - so-called two-party states. Exceptions for public meetings, police, are quite limited. However, if you upfront state you are recording, you can proceed and it is up to the other party to stop talking or leave.
Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
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which redirects into this thread, so I'm guessing that what happened is that there was a duplicate post and when the threads were merged the one thread title was kept in favor of the other just by how the merge occurred.
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From the NY Post:
"The agent who phoned police is still employed and may have to undergo training, pending the outcome of an investigation, the airline said."
https://nypost.com/2018/09/20/delta-...-to-a-manager/
Such a response from DL PR makes it sound like there's no management interest in actual disciplinary action against the employee post-investigation.
A shame because this behavior is so egregious, timely and visible (if only internally) disciplinary action would send the right message to those few bad apples within DL's front lines.
"The agent who phoned police is still employed and may have to undergo training, pending the outcome of an investigation, the airline said."
https://nypost.com/2018/09/20/delta-...-to-a-manager/
Such a response from DL PR makes it sound like there's no management interest in actual disciplinary action against the employee post-investigation.
A shame because this behavior is so egregious, timely and visible (if only internally) disciplinary action would send the right message to those few bad apples within DL's front lines.
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Horse petunias. The statute you cite has been modified/overturned by case and the Mass. Supreme Court; you're providing misinformation. It's really more than annoying when people who simply have no F-C-ing idea how common law systems work, feel entitled to offer their worthless "opinions" on such matters, and cite statue as if it was prevailing law, and force others to wade through their meaningless, ignorant drivel.


