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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by dinanm3atl
Should Delta have called the police? No... Did Delta call the police? No... I doubt it. Some employee did. This will be some bad PR For Delta for sure and they should train people better to not escalate to this level.
Just for clarification, my original thread title was "DL BOS Baggage Agent Calls Police on Customer for Recording Exchange." Somebody at FT changed it to its current title.
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Old Sep 20, 2018 | 11:29 pm
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Originally Posted by EdofFX
The DailyMail has a slightly different version of the story. According to Daily Mail, the manager did arrive to speak to that customer, but was called away to deal with a medical emergency. The manager asked one of his staff to help the customer. The customer completed the form, but then insisted on getting the manager's name. That was when things went side way....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...k-manager.html

May be the agent was over reacting, but I did not know a manager's name is required on a damage claim. Last time my luggage was damaged by Lufthansa, the baggage agent gave me a form with only her signature. Does the Delta form requires a manager's signature?
This is clear in the video. I don't know why the employee didn't just page or call the manager again and ask if she could give the woman his name. He probably would have said yes. She was just tired of dealing with her, evidently.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 6:15 am
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She probably had a better job lined up.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by WWads
DL assigns its worst CS employees to the baggage office. That’s my experience anyway.

Somebody has to do it, and these people are it.
I dont think it's fair to make such a broad assumption. My personal experience is the opposite. Out of all the baggage CS employees I have dealt with only 2 in my history with DL are or have been rude. Last time I had to go to the baggage office was during some ATL summer weather melt down at 12:30 AM. Everybody in the line ahead of me were outright rude, mean, and condescending to the baggage office staff. The folks directly in front of me were yelling left and right about how evil DL is I guess trying to get people to get riled up with them. Honestly I kind of wish DL would record video/audio of everyone who enters baggage offices because people would be VERY embarrassed (I hope) to see how they act. That is a TOUGH job because 9.9/10 people who walk in the office are already pissed off and ready to jump, I think DL puts their best staff their honestly.

When it was my turn I got everything I needed and more from the young lady working. I handed her a starbucks gift card and said please enjoy some coffee on me after your shift you deserve it. It is amazing what honey will get over vinegar......
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by flyerslc
Without taking sides here, you have to be careful about recording. Some states have very broad prohibitions against secret recording - so-called two-party states. Exceptions for public meetings, police, are quite limited. However, if you upfront state you are recording, you can proceed and it is up to the other party to stop talking or leave.

Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
Airports are in general considered to be public spaces and as such there is no expectation of privacy. What you are referencing applies when one is in a private space where there is an expectation of privacy. One could try to argue the baggage office is a private space but that would probably be an uphill battle given the greater context of it being part of the public baggage claim area.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar
Airports are in general considered to be public spaces and as such there is no expectation of privacy. What you are referencing applies when one is in a private space where there is an expectation of privacy.
That's not what the statute says, and not how it applies in other jurisdictions. I think you are mixing up Fourth Amendment law with statutory law here.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by vbjd1111
That's not what the statute says, and not how it applies in other jurisdictions. I think you are mixing up Fourth Amendment law with statutory law here.
There could be an issue recording "in secret." This wasn't in secret.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakshadow
There could be an issue recording "in secret." This wasn't in secret.
If you're openly recording someone, unless they explicitly tell you they don't want to be recorded, I can't see how any laws limiting recording could be cited.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by rickg523
If you're openly recording someone, unless they explicitly tell you they don't want to be recorded, I can't see how any laws limiting recording could be cited.
It doesn't matter what the other person wants. If you are making recording openly, you can record as much as you want - even if the other person doesn't want you to. It's their choice to stop engaging with you if they don't want to be recorded.
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Old Sep 21, 2018 | 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
If some DL employee or contracted employee working for DL called the police, it's the same as DL calling the police because the employee or contractor is an agent for DL. Maybe it would be better for DL if we could say that DL called the police and make it sound like some anonymous computer was responsible for actually calling the police.
I said this. My point being I bet there is more to this story but the video only starts when things have escalated 9 times out of 10.

Originally Posted by Oakshadow
Just for clarification, my original thread title was "DL BOS Baggage Agent Calls Police on Customer for Recording Exchange." Somebody at FT changed it to its current title.
Sorry wasn't calling you out or anything.
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 3:17 am
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Originally Posted by flyerslc
Without taking sides here, you have to be careful about recording. Some states have very broad prohibitions against secret recording - so-called two-party states. Exceptions for public meetings, police, are quite limited. However, if you upfront state you are recording, you can proceed and it is up to the other party to stop talking or leave.

Massachusetts's wiretapping law often referred to is a "two-party consent" law. More accurately, Massachusetts makes it a crime to secretly record a conversation, whether the conversation is in-person or taking place by telephone or another medium. See Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, 99. Accordingly, if you are operating in Massachusetts, you should always inform all parties to a telephone call or conversation that you are recording, unless it is absolutely clear to everyone involved that you are recording (i.e., the recording is not "secret"). Under Massachusetts's wiretapping law, if a party to a conversation is aware that you are recording and does not want to be recorded, it is up to that person to leave the conversation.
Horse petunias. The statute you cite has been modified/overturned by case and the Mass. Supreme Court; you're providing misinformation. It's really more than annoying when people who simply have no F-C-ing idea how common law systems work, feel entitled to offer their worthless "opinions" on such matters, and cite statue as if it was prevailing law, and force others to wade through their meaningless, ignorant drivel.
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 9:46 am
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakshadow
Just for clarification, my original thread title was "DL BOS Baggage Agent Calls Police on Customer for Recording Exchange." Somebody at FT changed it to its current title.
Currently on the 3rd page of the DL forum is this post:



which redirects into this thread, so I'm guessing that what happened is that there was a duplicate post and when the threads were merged the one thread title was kept in favor of the other just by how the merge occurred.
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 3:24 pm
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From the NY Post:

"The agent who phoned police is still employed and may have to undergo training, pending the outcome of an investigation, the airline said."
https://nypost.com/2018/09/20/delta-...-to-a-manager/

Such a response from DL PR makes it sound like there's no management interest in actual disciplinary action against the employee post-investigation.

A shame because this behavior is so egregious, timely and visible (if only internally) disciplinary action would send the right message to those few bad apples within DL's front lines.
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Old Sep 22, 2018 | 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by kthomas
Horse petunias. The statute you cite has been modified/overturned by case and the Mass. Supreme Court; you're providing misinformation. It's really more than annoying when people who simply have no F-C-ing idea how common law systems work, feel entitled to offer their worthless "opinions" on such matters, and cite statue as if it was prevailing law, and force others to wade through their meaningless, ignorant drivel.
The statute has not been "overturned". The application of statutes is obviously continuously modified by court rulings. A major ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Court found that public officials in the performance of their duties may be recorded by private individuals in addition to journalists. The statute still applies to individuals recording each other secretly. A specific case, of course depends on many factors, and may be affected by case law specific to the factors in each case. My point was just in general, one does need to be careful about secretly recording another individual in two-party states. One could be found in violation and one can also be sued in civil court for damages, especially if the recordings are publicly posted. I am sorry that you were more than annoyed by being "forced" to read what you consider meaningless drivel. Of course, no one is forced to read anything. Having to put up with opinions or statements that are "worthless" to you is one of the unfortunate problems of living in a free society. Have a nice day. And try some laxatives.
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