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Old May 25, 2014 | 4:03 pm
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Originally Posted by damaxer91
Originally Posted by deer
Generally raise room rates by 100 USD - and include all food and all standard drinks in it (already at some Amanresorts anytime or at low season), so the at-the-Home-of-a-friend-without-thinking-about-money-feeling even improves further!
You can't really expect this to happen.

A large percentage of their income comes from this, 100 USD is what most of us spend at Lunch
lounge thread >

Originally Posted by Pausanias
I don't know why Aman quote a room rate and then quote a compulsory extra charge. Why not just quote an all-inclusive figure? I feel much the same way about the charges at Amanpulo - room only . . . so where are you going to eat off the resort for dinner?
Musken amanoi trip report >

Originally Posted by Musken
Originally Posted by Pausanias
why does Aman persist in charging separately for meals when no one is really going to eat off resort or bring their own? They can create an all-inclusive plan in Cambodia so why not here or at Amanpulo? It would make life so much simpler for us and for them, surely.
I have never tried to ask them go give me an offer for all inclusive where it is not standard, but I am sure that would be possible. For Amanoi, however, I guess it is actually cheaper not to do this as the portions are large and prices low, meaning you normally would not eat three courses for dinner for example.
current summary >

Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
standard rates not exclusives >
kora - full board alcohol and 7 nt private driver and guide
sara - half board alcohol "twice daily private guided"
taka - half board alcohol "house outings once a day"
ikhas - full board alcohol laundry
wana - full board laundry
giri - full board (added high season rate)
puri - low season half board (removed low season rate)

exclusives >

yara >
5 nt half board : jan 7 - apr 10 excluding feb 13-23
3 nt half board : apr 28 - may 31 / nov 1 - dec 19 excluding nov 26-31
3 nt full board : jun 1 - oct 31 (plus 5th nt free)
(thats the whole year minus 4 holidays)

sveti stefan - milocer full board low season
ruya - 2 nt full board low season
gani - 2 nt half board low season
jena - 3 nt half board low season
sri lanka - 7 nt full board "fort and beach journey"
india - 6 nt full board "camp and oasis" $870 for transfers; 2 activities; full board, guaranteed upgrade, laundry at bagh
thats 9 properties, and if pulo keeps new year-round it makes 10
sri lanka exclusive is not new, but india one is in past few years
and i think because of rate increase at pulo >

Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
amanpulo Exclusives cost drops (cost per night per couple)

romance - full board + 3 activities in 5 nts then 1 activity per nt
http://www.amanresorts.com/exclusive...&LangType=1033
$552 / $432 / $382 depending on dates
(in the past $496)

island escape - half board
http://www.amanresorts.com/exclusive...&LangType=1033
$60 / $10 depending on dates
(in the past - $96 then $50/$150)
doesnt no-signing cover the biggest issue? when (significant) fee is only for food/alcohol (and not anything else) i personally can spend less by only ordering dinner entree - a less expensive one if necessary. (and some eat outside resort when possible.)

Originally Posted by deer
100 USD all food all standard drinks
exactly what food/drinks for $50 (€36.68) per person? even if you are factoring in aman rates, they have not already factored in inclusions that are not there yet. but they have clearly been experimenting with this for years. (DLF and or economy?)

Originally Posted by deer
Free In-Room-Minibar in all Amanresorts (we do not want to think about how much to pay for a small bottle of orange juice
it is interesting some aman include minibar/laundry, and most including the new ones that do this do not indicate they do it IIRC. like sveti stefan includes laundry? and several including new ones include minibar? but not indicating makes comparison confusing. when someone first pointed out something that was not indicated (on aman site rates) i thought id start list, but realized it was too few at the time. unfortunately (for keeping track) at this point it may have become a handful. regardless, any inclusions are great!

edit - and of course it could be that these things are not indicated so that they can be removed at any time or be less flexible.

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Old May 25, 2014 | 7:42 pm
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All-inclusive makes sense for Amanpulo. Not sure it would work as well for places like Puri or Dari.

I do think mini-bar should be complimentary though.
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Old May 25, 2014 | 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by deathscar
All-inclusive...Not sure it would work as well for places like Puri
puri >

2012 - low season discount eliminated, replaced with: daily breakfast and dinner
2011 - $525 / $875 pavilion
2010 - $450 / $850 pavilion (pavilion added back plus massive price drop) *
2009 - $700 / $925 garden pavilion (pavilion removed) (all aman FHR 4th nt free that summer)
2008 - $585 / $800 pavilion
2007 - $525 / $700 (first no low season, low season added around aug 24 2006)
2005 - feb-oct 50% off after tsunami

(http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13353090-post51.html *)

ownership prior to DLF >
64.82% lee hing (previously vaturi, previously ?)
16.55% "Party A" (?)
7.90% "Party C" (?)
5.81% "Party X" (superon - owned by schroders - possibly zecha?)
4.92% "Party B" (?)
im thinking >
A and C were schroders
and B was rockline (although i also see mention of Asia Atlas)
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post20229144

(thadani etc incl zecha "stake") - arral > schroders > symphony

Another large Silverlink shareholder and creditor...Arral & Partners (Asia) Ltd., and two investment trusts it manages

Lee Hing and two Schroders funds have bought...Schroders plc’s two funds, Schroders Capital Partners and Schroders Property Asia own the remaining
vaturi/etc may have added financed $65m equity to existing $35m equity
lee hing borrowed $60m for their acquisition
not sure about DLF
seems doronin acquisition involved financing

note was partly to finance prior (feb 2002) acquisition of lodhi / aman delhi >
http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/law...-2010-sghc-127
http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/law...-2009-sghc-209
http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/law...-2010-sghc-251

statements of these public companies may have more >
Societe Immobiliere Hoteliere (france, 52%+ vaturi family)
Credicom (belgium, subsidiary of above)

back to thread title >

http://cr.linkedin.com/pub/jonathan-blitz/40/65/4b9
Tented Resorts India PVT LTD...established this company for Aman Resorts. I reported directly to my Chairman Mr. Adrian Zecha. Company Objective: To develop tented resorts throughout India. I was supposed to return to India in late 2008 to continue...due to the global economy we were forced to postpone our plans
http://www.aquilaresort.com/team.html#2
Tented Resorts India Pvt. Ltd. for Aman Resorts for which he traveled around North and Central India, located, negotiated and secured 6 sites for development of future Aman Resorts.
history >
http://ttgasia.com/article.php?article_id=6958
https://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@.../msg00458.html
leela palace goa briefly GHM starting apr 1 2003

other aman manor delhi timing >
http://in.linkedin.com/pub/tarun-bisht/16/151/436
http://in.linkedin.com/pub/manveer-ramola/15/b16/463

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Old May 30, 2014 | 1:47 pm
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Old May 31, 2014 | 11:19 am
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i hear susan noonan was dismissed/fired may 29
(GM amanoi, with good comments here)
were any FTers communicating re upcoming stays?

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Old May 31, 2014 | 2:45 pm
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I think Sean Flakelar will become GM at Amanoi...


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
i hear susan noonan was dismissed/fired may 29
(GM amanoi, with good comments here)

were any FTers communicating re upcoming stays?

speaking of "OTAs and online wholesalers" - right before DLF announced completion of sale >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post22283894
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Old May 31, 2014 | 6:18 pm
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interesting - http://hotel-online.com/News/PR2001_...earchFirm.html >
February 2001
I read with great interest...and must say that I am in total agreement with your thoughts. I say that because of my own experience working at Regent International Hotels under the leadership of Bob Burns when individual hotels were the responsibility of the GM and success and /or failure rested squarely on his/her shoulders. GMs dealt directly with owners on most issues and the corporate office was there for support and guidance only if needed. Today, this same type of corporate structure seems to be working effectively at Adrian Zecha's Amanresorts. -Bill Black, Former GM, Regent of Bangkok [at that time, black had just recently left FS. note he does not mention FS. he has continued to be involved with trisara since around that time.]
that quote was written in response to > http://hotel-online.com/News/PR2001_...sAdvocate.html

https://twitter.com/Gallivanters/sta...52227037065216
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Jeff Seward will be opening GM at the upcoming 80-suite #Aman Tokyo.
jeff = 20 years RC, 2 years anantara, 2 years taj
lots of external hires from hotel companies

i hear >
reitz chose to leave tokyo
bagi (good comments here) currently acting GM of amanoi

fairly new http://www.amanresorts.com/amanyara/accommodation.aspx >
Alcove Pavilions are also situated on the edge of tranquil ponds. In addition to sundecks they offer a glassed in extension overlooking a walled garden. This serves as a cosy sitting room or a bedroom for a third person sharing the suite.

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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
i hear susan noonan was dismissed/fired may 29(GM amanoi, with good comments here)
My impression, from recently being at the resort (we left on May 27th) was that Susan was doing a great job and was well liked by both the other managers at the resort and the staff. We certainly found her to be responsive, visible and very charming.

Her firing will probably result in a destabilization of service for a few months. It takes time to build a relationship with other managers and staff and this will take even more time for someone new if everyone liked her and her departure was a surprise.

If I was planning to go to Amano'i in the next 2-3 months, I would seriously reconsider until they are able to get a new, permanent, GM in there and this person has had the time to figure everything out.
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 11:45 am
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My impression, from recently being at the resort (we left on May 27th) was that Susan was doing a great job and was well liked by both the other managers at the resort and the staff. We certainly found her to be responsive, visible and very charming.

Her firing will probably result in a destabilization of service for a few months. It takes time to build a relationship with other managers and staff and this will take even more time for someone new if everyone liked her and her departure was a surprise.

If I was planning to go to Amano'i in the next 2-3 months, I would seriously reconsider until they are able to get a new, permanent, GM in there and this person has had the time to figure everything out.
Susan was away during our 9 nights stay, and Bagi was in charge during her absence. If someone as experienced as Bagi is there, I would not feel the need to wait for a new GM, at least we felt that we were taken really good care of, but totally agree that a sudden departure can create issues.
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Originally Posted by Musken
Susan was away during our 9 nights stay, and Bagi was in charge during her absence. If someone as experienced as Bagi is there, I would not feel the need to wait for a new GM, at least we felt that we were taken really good care of, but totally agree that a sudden departure can create issues.
I did not realize that Bagi was the assistant GM there. I did not interact with him at all when I was there, as Susan seemed to be omnipresent, and there was no need to do so. I actually never even met him, so maybe he was away.

I guess this could reduce the disruption a little as long as he has a good relationship with the other managers and staff.

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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 3:37 pm
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http://www.amanresorts.com/amanatsum...mmodation.aspx also recently added >
family suite (two bedrooms)
combines Suite (king bed) and Courtyard Guestroom (twin beds)

deluxe pavilion (two bedrooms)
Situated within the same private south-facing pavilion, the Deluxe Pavilion combines a shared living area with two connecting Deluxe Suites.

traditional courtyard (four bedrooms)
Deluxe Pavilion (two Deluxe Suites with a shared living area) and two Courtyard Guest Rooms, all within the same private garden courtyard.

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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by xracer
I did not realize that Bagi was the assistant GM there. I did not interact with him at all when I was there, as Susan seemed to be omnipresent, and there was no need to do so. I actually never even met him, so maybe he was away.

I guess this could reduce the disruption a little as long as he has a good relationship with the other managers and staff.
Bagi is seasoned Aman team member . Great guy who started with Amans in Bali before others .
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 10:16 pm
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-> tokyo, venice, delhi, beijing

even one & only would have more brand credibility for moving to cities, than aman

city brand extension (for example: aman@ ) is a must
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Old Jun 2, 2014 | 10:58 pm
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I can understand your point of view cause a GM is essential in an Aman. His/Her rule in an Aman is so different from any other hotel but, however, when we went to Amanoi in March, Susan was away and Bagi took a good care of us and the property is so stunning, I almost forget it. But for sure Bagi is not like a GM and this property really needs a passionate GM. If I trust my informations, Sean Flakelar, who is currently Area Manager for Indonesia and GM of Amanusa will leave this position to take care of an other resort in Asia and it's highly possible it will be Amanoi. The move is expected for July... Let's see but if Sean will move to Amanoi, no worry it will be fantastic.



Originally Posted by xracer
I did not realize that Bagi was the assistant GM there. I did not interact with him at all when I was there, as Susan seemed to be omnipresent, and there was no need to do so. I actually never even met him, so maybe he was away.

I guess this could reduce the disruption a little as long as he has a good relationship with the other managers and staff.
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From what I heard Jason Friedman will join Aman as VP in North Asia. Anyway Jason used to work in Amandari, which he knew the company service culture, design already. In the same time I heard many long term service staff has left the company, what a pity!
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