Collective agreement for the pilots being negotiated
#497
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Most airports aren't in the city they're named for. Not even CPH. OSL certainly isn't in Oslo :-)
#498
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SAS' customer base remains the same. SAS' future passengers will have to come from the same customer base as today, which is mostly in Scandinavia. The arcane bankruptcy plot on a different continent might solve SAS' shortterm financial worries, but they still have to rebuild/ maintain their core business which is to/from - and especially - within Scandinavia. And the Scandinavian markets have to trust SAS as a company for that. No Ch 11 can build that trust alone.
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But Branson's image was a reason to fly the airline and the same reason why VS got to be a preferred and continues to be a preferred airline for anyone that has a choice of airlines.
#501
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What really was WizzAirs problem was that because WizzAir is non unionized and the CEO came with very strong anti-Union statements, a number of local governments (Fylkeskommuner and kommuner) stated that they would not use WizzAir because of their stance on unions. WizzAir took them to court for illegal boycott. Shortly after, WizzAir decided to stop their domestic services in Norway.
https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/aPmdl4/...singen-i-norge
#502
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If you continue to believe it was SAS's doing then we must read different news. The unions decided to strike in prime vacation season and not in March. The union pilots kept the planes grounded not SAS. If either party really cared about the vacations of Norwegians we wouldn't have had a strike at this time a year.
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Consumers base their choice on trust. The SAS strike destroying the vacation for thousands has given SAS a huge PR problem, irrespective of who is to blame. When the SAS CEO is let loose on TV without his minders, ranting about his employees, he worsens the PR catastrophe, and is seen as unpredictable. The end result is that SAS is seen as even less trustworthy among the consumers in what is often presumed to be SAS' most lucrative market
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Are there even any Swedish SK pilots based at MMX? It’s like a foreign country out there in/by Svedala.
Even before this post-strike agreement, I seemed to run into more non-SK pilots living in Skane than SK pilots living in Skane. Not really sure why that is. Maybe for early and mid-career commercial pilots, SK already wasn’t looking so good as an employer?
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#504
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It takes the same time to Kastrup from my old home in Sweden and new home in DK - especially back in the good days before the stupid passport control at the bridge.
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Perhaps SK could save money by further squeezing its domestic route network. When even the Blekinge “I love to drive” crowd are willing to fly out of CPH, how much would SAS lose by doing at MMX what it did to BMA? Perhaps the pilots would throw a fit about it since they seem to love to drive too.
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#506
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35 minutes by train from CPH to Lund. Isn’t it also 35 minutes by taxi from Lund C to MMX? It’s sometimes only a handful of minutes extra by taxi from Lund C to CPH than it is from Lund C to MMX in a taxi.
Perhaps SK could save money by further squeezing its domestic route network. When even the Blekinge “I love to drive” crowd are willing to fly out of CPH, how much would SAS lose by doing at MMX what it did to BMA? Perhaps the pilots would throw a fit about it since they seem to love to drive too.
Perhaps SK could save money by further squeezing its domestic route network. When even the Blekinge “I love to drive” crowd are willing to fly out of CPH, how much would SAS lose by doing at MMX what it did to BMA? Perhaps the pilots would throw a fit about it since they seem to love to drive too.
#507
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It's normal for people to drive for hours to get to an airport if they can fly direct from there. If they fly SK to SFO, they can fly direct from CPH, instead of MMX-ARN-CPH-SFO. Also, MMX has SK or LCC, choice of flights are limited. If AF/LH fly there it would be a very different situation.
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Don’t think even the air-loving SAS pilots would agree to fly that without a new agreement that is more like the EuroBonus of a bygone era.
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I have done MMX-ARN-CPH-IAD back in 2016 - 500kr. cheaper per ticket vs direct
#510
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For me, it means "Can I get from the airport terminal to the city center within 30+/- minutes". Ideally with a train/subway/metro. And then CPH, OSL, ARN, VIE, ZRH are named accordingly. Since, from CPH, I take the metro and I am downtown Copenhagen after 15-20 minutes. The Arlanda Express or the OSL Train (not talking about the ridiculous pricing of those) take me to downtown Stockholm or Oslo.
But when I book Copenhagen and got dropped off in the middle of nowhere in Skane, or book Vienna and end up in Bratislava... that is just messed up. (which btw IU also hate about Newark, which a lot of people sell as New York. And especially for Germans hard to phonetically understand that there is a difference between "newark" and "newyawk". Many many years ago, the first time I landed in EWR, I was kind of lost... what I am not in New York?
But well... you can also book Bordeaux and end up on Porto or the other way around