Collective agreement for the pilots being negotiated
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The original plan after I got stranded was to get Mr. to SK ticketing counter to ask them to rebook me after they landed at CPH. I told him forget it after I found out the "do not rebook" remark and SAS CS doesn't have the authority to override it.
No matter how you twist and turn with my saga, it's SAS's fault. That CSR should have rebooked me to another flight instead of changing my name to another flight that has nothing to do with this.
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The union that organises the pilots and cabin crew for SAS Link and SAS Connect is now accusing Dansk Metal of using the strike not to get better terms for their members, but to push out them as a union in SAS. And points to the fact that some of the demands that led to the strike is now being repeated the upcoming negotiations of the cabin crew contract, and that the main aim for Dansk Metal in those negotiations is another strike.
Fun stuff when even the unions starts fighting.
Fun stuff when even the unions starts fighting.
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The union that organises the pilots and cabin crew for SAS Link and SAS Connect is now accusing Dansk Metal of using the strike not to get better terms for their members, but to push out them as a union in SAS. And points to the fact that some of the demands that led to the strike is now being repeated the upcoming negotiations of the cabin crew contract, and that the main aim for Dansk Metal in those negotiations is another strike.
Fun stuff when even the unions starts fighting.
Fun stuff when even the unions starts fighting.
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They probably understood. But people can be very territorial, especially when they feel like they are the appointed leaders of an area and don’t want to have their positions questioned or otherwise challenged on substantive points or otherwise.
Divide and conquer plays well when dealing with territorial, unchecked egos.
Divide and conquer plays well when dealing with territorial, unchecked egos.
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I noticed that Norsk Flygerforbund, who were very vocal and active on social media during the strike, have been very silent since the end of the dispute. I get the sense that they’re not exactly elated with the outcome.
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I noticed that Norsk Flygerforbund, who were very vocal and active on social media during the strike, have been very silent since the end of the dispute. I get the sense that they’re not exactly elated with the outcome.
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SAS’s unionized workforce members would be in a less impotent position vis-a-vis SAS management’s Machiavellian plays if they would consolidate under fewer umbrellas and be more like one force under one big umbrella.
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They might be, but that would normally be managed through a vote amongst the members of the two unions, not using a strike to force it through without the involvement of members on both sides.
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Elections have consequences. Does the strike eliminate employee voting on unionization decisions?
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You are technically not required to be a member of the union that holds the collective agreement for a given company, but usually in workplaces with very strong union presence you will be subjected to an awful lot of pressure to comply. "We are the Borg, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"
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You are technically not required to be a member of the union that holds the collective agreement for a given company, but usually in workplaces with very strong union presence you will be subjected to an awful lot of pressure to comply. "We are the Borg, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated"
Assuming a supposedly competent adult with free will, choosing to cave in to peer pressure (or not) is an individual decision where the person is exercising their will in a world where there are consequences from, and limitations around, the decision-making and the decision.
So these unionized employees will get a vote to determine how they want their union membership to be structured going forward? And then they have a personal choice to agree or not to join the majority following the election? Sounds like a liberal democracy in action.
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The Borg can’t assimilate me. [There’s a lot of overlap between EBDs and Star Trek.]
Assuming a supposedly competent adult with free will, choosing to cave in to peer pressure (or not) is an individual decision where the person is exercising their will in a world where there are consequences and limitations arising from the decision-making and decision.
Assuming a supposedly competent adult with free will, choosing to cave in to peer pressure (or not) is an individual decision where the person is exercising their will in a world where there are consequences and limitations arising from the decision-making and decision.
There has been some very nasty cases where pressure to join the appropriate union has gone into serious bullying, other people having refused to work on a shift with the scab. (technically they would not be a scab unless there is a strike, but the rhetoric "skruebrækker" have been applied for this as well) and people have literally been forced to quit.
There are dark sides to unions as well, despite me believing that overall the sum of union activities in Scandinavia has been positive. But what does not have a dark side?
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For the unions it is also about internal power balance amongst the unions. Who is the biggest, who carries the most weight and influence.
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So the Borg will not see value in adding you to the collective?
There has been some very nasty cases where pressure to join the appropriate union has gone into serious bullying, other people having refused to work on a shift with the scab. (technically they would not be a scab unless there is a strike, but the rhetoric "skruebrækker" have been applied for this as well) and people have literally been forced to quit.
There are dark sides to unions as well, despite me believing that overall the sum of union activities in Scandinavia has been positive. But what does not have a dark side?
There has been some very nasty cases where pressure to join the appropriate union has gone into serious bullying, other people having refused to work on a shift with the scab. (technically they would not be a scab unless there is a strike, but the rhetoric "skruebrækker" have been applied for this as well) and people have literally been forced to quit.
There are dark sides to unions as well, despite me believing that overall the sum of union activities in Scandinavia has been positive. But what does not have a dark side?
Wherever there are people, there is always bound to be some element of the dark side. But have SAS employees extensively engaged in illegal attempts to coerce or remove non-unionized employees working beside unionized colleagues?
Whether at mostly/entirely non-unionized employers or in non-unionized positions, it seems Scandinavian employers and employees are a lot about “cultural fit” too. The same sort of interest in “cultural fit” among unionized and non-unionized colleagues in Scandinavia is par for the course.
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