Collective agreement for the pilots being negotiated
Aug 15, 2022, 8:01 am
#586
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In terms of value, there are different redemption means that are of value to different passengers. If you are invested in travel redemption, the SK and EU programs aren't that bad. If you are invested in getting other redemption value, primarily through point stores they are a completely different story. SK actually has a points store but it is populated with unattractive items and meaningless gift cards for example.
Value from FFP programs will always be subjective, but it is easy to create value and set yourself apart from competition.
Value from FFP programs will always be subjective, but it is easy to create value and set yourself apart from competition.
Aug 18, 2022, 8:19 am
#587
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So more competition and the value thereof showed up in what the customers got from the loyalty programs? Then Japan is the epitome of competition, as I have never gotten greater value from my FFP than what I get from JAL....
Opaquenes of pricing isn't that a fundamental part of getting great value from an FFP? You need to study all of the intricacies of each FFP to be able to understand what part of your pricing comes back in form of rebates to be able to compare your price with the competing airline. Admittedly that was less difficult when it was pure flown distance times cabin bonus, and no factors of which specific booking class you were in.
Opaquenes of pricing isn't that a fundamental part of getting great value from an FFP? You need to study all of the intricacies of each FFP to be able to understand what part of your pricing comes back in form of rebates to be able to compare your price with the competing airline. Admittedly that was less difficult when it was pure flown distance times cabin bonus, and no factors of which specific booking class you were in.
Don't the big two Japanese airline programs still have published award charts for their own-metal flights?
Aug 18, 2022, 8:25 am
#588
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Opaquness of pricing is a way for airlines to fleece consumers. Airlines are also increasingly making the mileage ticket pricing a more opaque pricing game too by migrating away from the use of published award chart pricing.
Don't the big two Japanese airline programs still have published award charts for their own-metal flights?
Don't the big two Japanese airline programs still have published award charts for their own-metal flights?
They are actually fairly transparent on their programs. Though trying to grasp the elite qualifying levels on Team Red can be somewhat confusing the first few times one tries to read their website. It is a long time since I looked at the same details for Team Blue, but in principle the actual mechanisms are rather similar, but maybe the descriptions are less convoluted....