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Old May 29, 2014 | 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash
Wow, this thread is funny reading now

OT: As for the Jante-law, that sounds very communist and sounds more typical of Finns actually than Scandinavian (=SWE,NOR,DEN) with an exception of the American you-can-achieve-something added onto it. I didn't remember those 10 "rules" and it was funny to read how stupid those rules are.
Janteloven was formulated by the Danish-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose, mainly based on his experiences of small-town Denmark. It does reflect attitudes in the Finland of yesteryear, but it is definitely a Scandinavian thing as opposed to a Finnish thing.

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Old May 29, 2014 | 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash
Wow, this thread is funny reading now

OT: As for the Jante-law, that sounds very communist and sounds more typical of Finns actually than Scandinavian (=SWE,NOR,DEN) with an exception of the American you-can-achieve-something added onto it. I didn't remember those 10 "rules" and it was funny to read how stupid those rules are.
Thanks
Communist: yes, that's my feeling too.

Originally Posted by Thalassa
Janteloven was formulated by the Danish-Norwegian author Aksel Sandemose, mainly based on his experiences of small-town Denmark. It does reflect attitudes in the Finland of yesteryear, but it is definitely a Scandinavian thing as opposed to a Finnish thing.
Janteloven: more Finnish (FIN) or rest-of-Scandinavia (DEN, SWE, NOR)??? Interesting question.

Originally Posted by PeterT1953
... apparently being satisfied with a letter and a 2 night voucher.

Most entertaining thread for ages. :-)
Happy you are satisfied with the thread, too.
And the letter with the 2-nights voucher.
I didn't accept that offer yet, but I asked the audience here:
good or not?

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Old May 30, 2014 | 3:36 pm
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LuxuryRogue, interesting hotel(s) >
http://www.basecampspitsbergen.com/hotels/Longyearbyen
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/c828c...#axzz1Svmqc8Ng

Originally Posted by LuxuryRogue
The head of Radisson Scandinavia

The CEO of Rezidor Worldwide

opinion...was shared...they do not have as much influence on the hotel
hotel in question was originally franchise (probably still) >
http://www.norwaypost.no/index.php?o...5171&itemid=26
http://no.linkedin.com/pub/ulf-prytz/20/a77/547

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Originally Posted by sohb
Discrimination
Originally Posted by PeterT1953
description of the waiter
inaccurate personal attack on OP. OP described criminal behavior NOT demographic.

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Old May 30, 2014 | 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by PeterT1953
Kudos to the GM of the Radisson Spitsbergen, for supporting his staff in the face of what appears to be an overbearing arse
Even if he is... In hospitality industry you smile (with or at him, your choice) and take his money.
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Old May 30, 2014 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by PeterT1953
+1

The OP does seem to have a bit of a thing about "migrant workers". I do wonder what was said before said "migrant worker" invited him outside.

I suspect there is a bit more to this than meets the eye.
The Norwegian hospitality industry is heavily dependent upon foreign labor, with the plurality of the migrant workers, on contract or not, in the industry being Swedish.
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Old May 31, 2014 | 1:39 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
LuxuryRogue, interesting hotel(s) >
http://www.basecampspitsbergen.com/hotels/Longyearbyen
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/c828c...#axzz1Svmqc8Ng

hotel in question was originally franchise (probably still) >
http://www.norwaypost.no/index.php?o...5171&itemid=26
http://no.linkedin.com/pub/ulf-prytz/20/a77/547

inaccurate personal attack on OP. OP described criminal behavior NOT demographic.
Thank you for the excellent research kage!

Reg. Radisson franchise: HQ seemed honest that they have limited influence.

I didn't know about Basecamp Explorer's "Isfjord Radio" Boutique Hotel (several hours by boat from Longyeaarbyen). Seems like the only place in Svalbard for the more demanding customer, beating the Hurtigrotten monopoly.

Your FT article is also interesting, and I particularly liked the last paragraph:

None of us want to leave Isfjord Radio, it’s such a strange, otherworldly place. But then, the whole of Svalbard is a strange, otherworldly place. On the way back we stop to stare at Barentsburg, a depressing-looking town in the middle of nowhere. It’s wholly Russian, a little bit of the Soviet Union left stranded in Norway. The rights of the Russians were enshrined in the 1920 Svalbard Treaty, and they’ve clung on, even as the USSR collapsed, though the statue of Lenin still stands.

By the time we return, Longyearbyen, which had seemed so tiny and ramshackle when we arrived, now looks like a heaving metropolis. And although it’s liberating to be able to walk around unaccompanied by a woman with a gun – the city limits are considered a polar bear-free zone – it’s not without its dangers.

In a shack above .Longyearbyen, I’m just about to tuck into a plate of reindeer stew when a smell of burning fills the air. I’ve brushed against a candle, it turns out, and my hair is on fire. It’s a rough and dangerous place, Svalbard: forget the polar bears, though, what you really want to look out for are the Ikea tea-lights.
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Old May 31, 2014 | 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by elva
Even if he is... In hospitality industry you smile (with or at him, your choice) and take his money.
Well said.

And even if the client does insult (here not the case), staff member needs to inform manager-on-duty or dismiss client himself, based on householder's rights.

If the client threatens with violence (here not the case), staff member needs to call security, and in a locale with alcohol and guns he must be trained to deescalate!

A staff however who himself threatens a client with violence is obviously uneducated, uncivilized, soon unemployed - and criminal.
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Old May 31, 2014 | 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
The Norwegian hospitality industry is heavily dependent upon foreign labor, with the plurality of the migrant workers, on contract or not, in the industry being Swedish.
Indeed.

And thank you for supporting the term "migrant worker". That is the reality.

It puts me off that some of the smaller minds here find this term discriminatory when used against a Portuguese European, but probably endorse it in the "usual" context, e.g. migration from the African continent.

The same is true for the "service vs. meatpacking vs. mining industry". Different people have different talents. (Said waiter can't smile and likes to beat with his hands ... go figure). If someone finds this derogatory, he/she is indeed derogatory.
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Old May 31, 2014 | 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri
Kage, thanks for the link to the former Radisson Spitsbergen owner Mr. Ulf Prytz who sold it to Hurtigruten and remained on the board until 2013. Apparently a multi-talented man, tourism industry leader, arctic adventurer and book author. In an amazing coincidence, Ulf Prytz was "beaten up by immigrant" last year:



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For lack of Scandinavian language skills, can someone please help to clarify the background, and if this is indeed Ulf Prytz.

Any people here who think that this was an "arse" (quote) who doesn't deserve better?

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Old May 31, 2014 | 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by LuxuryRogue
For lack of Scandinavian language skills, can someone please help to clarify the background, and if this is indeed Ulf Prytz.
The chap in the the picture is indeed called Ulf Prytz, but he is not the one involved with the Svalbards.

This one is the former head of a local chapter of Sverigedemokraterna, a Swedish far right wing party. He was attacked by two men who may or may not have been immigrants (reports are not consistent on that).

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Old May 31, 2014 | 4:19 pm
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