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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:48 am
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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by When I Travel The World
That's sort of an awful option for most people, A lot of people will want to change their travel plans a bit further out than that, the website states you can have a full refund though if effected.
Yes, it sucks because understandably everyone is on edge about this. However it's necessary in order to avoid overloading a fixed capacity contact center and help prioritizing those in most urgent need of assistance (people flying in the very near future).
It doesn't help with anxiety, but it's also a good measure in order to make decisions with the latest information, as this is a situation that will be evolving constantly.

Best of luck
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Tpttraveller
Just got off the phone with customer service in USA after lengthy wait. Was informed that nothing can be done until your flight is 72hours out. That is the policy QR has given agents. So, i post to save many of you frustration....dont bother waiting on the phone all day if you are + 72 hrs out.....nice agent however and let me know what options they are currently booking ( mostly AMM as reported and connections via BA from Egypt. )
Thanks for the update.
I'm due to fly Thursday CAI to BKK in F all the way.
If I go via LHR, will I be booked in F from LHR to DOH with QR?
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 4:49 pm
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Anyone have any issues yet on flights to The Maldives via Doha?
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Tpttraveller
Just got off the phone with customer service in USA after lengthy wait. Was informed that nothing can be done until your flight is 72hours out. That is the policy QR has given agents. So, i post to save many of you frustration....dont bother waiting on the phone all day if you are + 72 hrs out.....nice agent however and let me know what options they are currently booking ( mostly AMM as reported and connections via BA from Egypt. )
Just got also off the phone from customer service in USA. My agent basiclly told me the same. But she added, that you can rebook your flight up to 30 days into the future or get a refund if your flights is from today up to July 6. But if you want to get a refund you still have to pay the service charge for your refund.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by alexwuk
Those flight paths don't meaningful route over affected airspace: you should be fine perhaps with 20-30 min longer flying time on the US-DOH leg. enjoy your trip
Thanks. will have to keep watching for changes
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:02 pm
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I am due to fly LHR to DOH and then DOH to CPT in November. I know it is too early to think about cancelling just now but I can't see how either LHR to DOH or DOH to CPT can take place given all the airspace QR flights are now banned from. Can anyone reassure me not to cancel?
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:03 pm
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I know it is too early to think about cancelling just now but I can't see how either LHR to DOH or DOH to CPT can take place given all the airspace QR flights are now banned from. Can anyone reassure me not to cancel?
Well I would at least give it some time, at last 1 week or longer, if you think you need to book on a new airline. I personally don't think a massive airline like QR will be grounded, it might happen for a day, but they will figure it out.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by YVRtoYYZ
I am of the opinion that this only applies to Qatari-registered aircraft (aka Qatar Airways). I do not inerpret the NOTAM(s) as applying to international operators.

(A0205/17 NOTAMN
Q)OBBB/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2637N05107E161
A)OBBB B)1706060000 C)PERM
E)ALL FLT REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF QATAR ARE NOT AUTHORISED TO
OVERFLY BAHRAIN AIRSPACE)


OEJD A0596/17 06JUN0001-PERM
ALL NON-SAUDI OR NON-QATARI REGISTERED ACFT INTENDING TO USE SAUDI
AIRSPACE TO/FM QATAR AIRPORTS SHALL COORDINATE WITH GENERAL
AUTHORITY OF CIVIL AVIATION (GACA) WI ONE WEEK FM TODAY TO OBTAIN
ALL GACA REQUIREMENTS FM THE FLW CONTACT
TEL: +966115253336
EMAIL: 'SPECIAL(AT)GACA.GOV.SA'
SFC / UNL

OMAE A0812/17 06JUN0000-PERM
ALL ACFT REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF QATAR ARE NOT AUTHORIZED
TO OVERFLY EMIRATES FIR, DEP OR LAND AT UAE AERODROMES.
OPERATORS NOT REGISTERED IN UAE INTENDING TO USE EMIRATES FIR FM
OR TO THE STATE OF QATAR REQUIRE PRIOR APPROVAL FM GCAA AVIATION
SECURITY AFFAIRS ON THE FLW CONTACT:
TEL: 00971 50 642 4911
EMAIL: AVSEC-DI(A)GCAA.GOV.AE
SFC / UNL

OBBB has just updated their guidance for aircraft to/from DOH:

OBBB BAHRAIN FIR A0208/17 - FOR FLIGHTS AFFECTED BY NOTAM A0205/17 THE FOLLOWING AWYS ARE
AVBL:
1-UT430 OUTBOUND VIA RAGAS
2-UR659 INBOUND VIA MIDSI. 06 JUN 00:00 2017 UNTIL PERM. CREATED: 05 JUN 12:00
2017
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by drpabs
I am due to fly LHR to DOH and then DOH to CPT in November. I know it is too early to think about cancelling just now but I can't see how either LHR to DOH or DOH to CPT can take place given all the airspace QR flights are now banned from. Can anyone reassure me not to cancel?
Both Turkey and Iran allow QR to fly over their airspace. All it would affect your flights are longer flight time.

Both JNB and CPT to DOH flights took off as schedule, AFTER the ban was in effect. CPT-DOH QR 1370 already landed.

You can watch the flight path in real time via this site.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...r-airways-qtr/
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
Both Turkey and Iran allow QR to fly over their airspace. All it would affect your flights are longer flight time.

Both JNB and CPT to DOH flights took off as schedule, AFTER the ban was in effect. CPT-DOH QR 1370 already landed.

You can watch the flight path in real time via this site.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...r-airways-qtr/
Fascinating to look at that map and see everything vectored in and out of the single corridor Bahrain is allowing
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
Force majeure is usually covered by insurance policies. It might restrict coverage to certain specific events, but the point of an insurance is to cover unforeseen risks.
You may not be familiar with insurance offered in US, and in particular, the credit card benefits that cover trip interruptions. Most homeowner insurances DONT cover Force Majeure just as an eye opener for you.

Directly from Chase website on the CSR card benefits being asked:

What’s Not Covered

This is not an exhaustive list. Examples include:

Travel arrangements canceled or changed by a common carrier, tour operator, or any travel agency unless the cancellation is the result of severe weather or an organized strike affecting public transportation
Change in plans or financial circumstances
A pre-existing condition
Traveling against the advice of a physician
A declared or undeclared war
Trips that exceed 60 days in duration are not covered

It does NOT cover cancellation by common carriers unless it is weather-related.

So DONT assume but read the fine print on the insurance one relies upon.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Duke787
Fascinating to look at that map and see everything vectored in and out of the single corridor Bahrain is allowing
I wish I could find the flight path of Flt 1370 from CPT that has already landed. It then would let us see HOW QR flew around the tip of UAE over the water.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
I wish I could find the flight path of Flt 1370 from CPT that has already landed. It then would let us see HOW QR flew around the tip of UAE over the water.
You can search for the flight number on FR24 and then playback the flight, or simply see an overview of the route. In this case, it came straight in over Abu Dhabi.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
I wish I could find the flight path of Flt 1370 from CPT that has already landed. It then would let us see HOW QR flew around the tip of UAE over the water.
QR 1370 flew through UAE airspace.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Ants1
Anyone have any issues yet on flights to The Maldives via Doha?
QR672 departed roughly 20 minutes late but is on it's way to MLE. Odd that the Maldives cut ties with Qatar but appear to still be allowing flights for now. Tourism money must be talking.
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