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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 7:21 pm
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Exceeding ticket validity date

I have B class SIN - SYD ticket on QF/BA/AO that has a not valid after date of 27 May. Now, I will be completing a DONE4 in BKK a day or two earlier than that. I intend buying an AY web cheapie (AUD110) fare to go BKK-SIN on 27 May with an immediate connection to QF to SYD. The AY flight arrives SIN at 18:15 and QF flight (with the 27 May expiry date) departs at 20:00. Should be an easy connection and I am assuming I can be checked through BKK-SIN-SYD even though it'll be on different PNRs. NOW, if AY is running very late and I misconnect in SIN, is my SIN-SYD ticket worthless given that I'll have to get the next flight - next day (ie after the ticket expiry date), or will QF honour the ticket because it was AYs fault I misconnected?
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Old Jan 16, 2005 | 8:08 pm
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Good Luck

From past dealings with Qantas I would say they would not be responsible nor would they honor an expired ticket as Qantas did not issue the connecting ticket.
had they isued the connecting ticket with a note that you were connecting you would have a better chance.

Qantas do NO favours
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by tinkybelle
From past dealings with Qantas I would say they would not be responsible nor would they honor an expired ticket as Qantas did not issue the connecting ticket.
had they isued the connecting ticket with a note that you were connecting you would have a better chance.

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Agree. Also do note that because it is seperate tickets, hence it is seperate contracts. There are no obligations on AY or QF to do anything. BUT if AY did issue both the boarding pass (AY and QF) then QF might be able to rebook you on the next flight without looking at the ticket. But it is risky stuff.
Can't you do the AY sector 1 day earlier to ensure you do get on the QF flight?

Also given it is B Class, you might be able to get some refund??
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by newcx12345
Agree. Also do note that because it is seperate tickets, hence it is seperate contracts. There are no obligations on AY or QF to do anything. BUT if AY did issue both the boarding pass (AY and QF) then QF might be able to rebook you on the next flight without looking at the ticket. But it is risky stuff.
Can't you do the AY sector 1 day earlier to ensure you do get on the QF flight?

Also given it is B Class, you might be able to get some refund??
AY only fly every second day so flying the day before is not an option on AY. I've been quoted about AUD390 to re-issue from SIN-SYD to BKK-SYD. This AUD 390 is pretty close to a full WHY web fare on CX or SQ (less on TG and the real cheapies) for BKK-SIN. That means only AUD 50 more to go J class (very tempting - but for a 2 hr flight?). Looks like overnighting in SIN before the day or night flight back to work in SYD. Ho hum - trip over until the next time.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 4:30 am
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AY only fly every second day so flying the day before is not an option on AY. I've been quoted about AUD390 to re-issue from SIN-SYD to BKK-SYD. This AUD 390 is pretty close to a full WHY web fare on CX or SQ (less on TG and the real cheapies) for BKK-SIN. That means only AUD 50 more to go J class (very tempting - but for a 2 hr flight?). Looks like overnighting in SIN before the day or night flight back to work in SYD. Ho hum - trip over until the next time.
So only 50AUD more (ie. 440AUD) for Business Class on BKK-SIN?
Note that on CX it will be operated on a 744 and = NEW Business Class.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 6:14 am
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So only 50AUD more (ie. 440AUD) for Business Class on BKK-SIN?
Note that on CX it will be operated on a 744 and = NEW Business Class.
And that means J class SC's as well! Or is the additional $50 for J on TG rather than CX?

Rather than re-issue to BKK-SYD for the same SC's as the current SIN-SYD, why not spend the same money on a CX BKK-HKG-SIN and collect the extra SC's?
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 7:54 am
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[QUOTE=tinkybelle] From past dealings with Qantas I would say they would not be responsible nor would they honor an expired ticket as Qantas did not issue the connecting ticket.[QUOTE]It isn't just QF, all airlines are very diligent about checking ticket expiration date as the clearinghouse won't honour expired tickets! This means the airline that issued the ticket gets to keep the money and the flying airline gets to fly you for free! You can see why agents are instructed to double check the expiration date, and get in lots of trouble if an expired coupon is used. I did use a ticket on the last day of validity last year, and the agent made a point of mentioning it. We even had a discussion about whether the expiration date was at the timezone where the ticket was issued or at the flight being flown (no conlusion reached except the agent uses the flight timezone, and I suppose that is what counts). I made sure not to have a same-day connection for that particular flight.
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Old Jan 18, 2005 | 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by NM
And that means J class SC's as well! Or is the additional $50 for J on TG rather than CX?

Rather than re-issue to BKK-SYD for the same SC's as the current SIN-SYD, why not spend the same money on a CX BKK-HKG-SIN and collect the extra SC's?
It's now a no-brainer on spending the extra $ to get to get the J fare. CX also do once a day BKK-SIN as well. Seems everyone charges the same J fare (via the web) - so far CX, AY, SQ, and others. But AY are a clear winner on the WHY fare (followed by TG then the others - not including the LCCs).

And thanks number_6 for your guidance. Looks like an overnight in SIN just to make absolutely sure.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 1:21 am
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To answer my own last posting, it seems QF will gladly sell me a BKK-SIN ticket on the LX or AY codeshare (QF ticket). I was told it doesn't have to tie into a further international ticket. Therefore, it seems now that I'll get that QF ticket on AY metal (BKK-SIN) and immediately connect with QF6 (SIN-SYD) on the last day of ticket validity. Since QF are issuing the first boarding pass BKK-SIN (and hopefully the connecting BP in BKK from SIN to SYD), if the first flight causes a mis-connect in SIN, then I should be OK - even if the SIN-SYD ticket has date expired. I might just ring QF and ask them if this is indeed the case.
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 6:55 pm
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As soon as the boarding pass is issued you have used the ticket so QF would be responsible for any mis-connects, presuming you make the preceding flight. There may be other ways to be off the hook as well, but not really sure and don't want to find out as I'm sure it would be problematic if it came up.
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 10:26 pm
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a more general, technical, academic question (in three parts), also about ticket validity...

a) if it's past the validity date printed on the flight coupon, but one's reservation is confirmed, can one fly?

b) if it's past the validity date printed on the flight coupon, but a revalidation sticker has been affixed by the issuing (non-QF) airline, and one's reservation for a QF operated flight is confirmed, can one fly?

c) if it's past the validity date printed on the flight coupon (say, 15 MAR), but a revalidation sticker has been affixed by the issuing (non-QF) airline, (say, for travel on 01 APR) and one's reservation for a QF operated fligth is confirmed for a date posterior to the former but anterior to the latter, (say, 25 MAR) can one fly?

Thanks for your opinions on (and perhaps experience with) this purely academic question.

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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 3:10 pm
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no, yes and yes -- but I am just a dumb passenger, don't have any industry knowledge. However pretty sure this is correct, the date on the ticket is absolute -- no matter if it is right or wrong. And similarly for the revalidation sticker, once you have it, its done. The flying airline does not care as it will be paid by the clearing house, no matter what (the issuing airline has all of the risk. And having a confirmed reservation is irrelevant, it is the ticket that counts.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 4:42 pm
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OOOH, this is getting interesting. It's critical for me so I will have to ring and make my case very clear. I also think I'll be directly buying my BKK-SIN ticket from QF sales and make sure the PNRs are linked (with the date critical SIN-SYD). I might follow it up with an email just to get a written response as confirmation (that QF BKK can issue BPs for both flights (BKK-SIN and SIN-SYD) and that if I misconnect due to a late running first flight that I'm OK on the next available SIN-SYD flight even if the ticket has date expired).

Thanks number_6 for your considered replies.
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