Qantas will suspend overseas travel until [December] 2021
Oct 17, 2021, 5:02 am
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From 1 December it should be possible for travellers from approved countries as they can enter Fiji anyways. So pax from at least Australia, NZ, USA, UK, Canada, Japan and the Pacific Island Countries will be able to, which also corresponds with likely itineraries pax may want to transit in NAN on FJ... like USA to AU/NZ etc. .
Oct 17, 2021, 3:46 pm
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Oct 18, 2021, 4:18 pm
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having the same flight numbers doesn't mean direct.
Many U.S. airlines have flights from Europe to a U.S. city, where change of aircraft at U.S. port of entry, but same flight number, then onto another U.S. city, often in a much smaller aircraft.
Direct means, you don't have to change aircraft. Everytime you change aircraft, there's a potential for delay. How many times have you been sitting at an airport & hear something like ......... flight 1234 is delayed due to late arrival of inbound aircraft. If you're on the same aircraft, it can't be late. It's already there. Qantas used to fly BNE/LAX direct (via AKL)
Many U.S. airlines have flights from Europe to a U.S. city, where change of aircraft at U.S. port of entry, but same flight number, then onto another U.S. city, often in a much smaller aircraft.
Direct means, you don't have to change aircraft. Everytime you change aircraft, there's a potential for delay. How many times have you been sitting at an airport & hear something like ......... flight 1234 is delayed due to late arrival of inbound aircraft. If you're on the same aircraft, it can't be late. It's already there. Qantas used to fly BNE/LAX direct (via AKL)
Oct 18, 2021, 4:50 pm
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I understood that what makes a flight a "direct" one is that the flight number is the same.
For example ,United used to fly SYD-LAX on a 747 and then you'd change to a 757 for LAX-Chicago but the flight number did not change.
At LAX ,you had to leave the a/c and go thru immigration etc before boarding for the next sector.
Being a "direct" flight does not always mean that you physically stay on the aircraft and an intermediate stop.
To be fair, some flights with one flight number actually stop somewhere for fuel or whatever else and the pax usually do not disembark - sometimes called a "technical stop " - sometimes occurred on aircraft flying west in the northern winter faced with with strong headwinds eg LAX-HKG.
I agree "direct" flights with a stop is a risk but I have noted in the past that there was a good chance of the connecting a/c waiting for the delayed incoming one of the same flight number - more likely for, say, flights with a different flight number.
For example ,United used to fly SYD-LAX on a 747 and then you'd change to a 757 for LAX-Chicago but the flight number did not change.
At LAX ,you had to leave the a/c and go thru immigration etc before boarding for the next sector.
Being a "direct" flight does not always mean that you physically stay on the aircraft and an intermediate stop.
To be fair, some flights with one flight number actually stop somewhere for fuel or whatever else and the pax usually do not disembark - sometimes called a "technical stop " - sometimes occurred on aircraft flying west in the northern winter faced with with strong headwinds eg LAX-HKG.
I agree "direct" flights with a stop is a risk but I have noted in the past that there was a good chance of the connecting a/c waiting for the delayed incoming one of the same flight number - more likely for, say, flights with a different flight number.
Oct 18, 2021, 4:58 pm
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No.No. No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight
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The QF AKL LAX flight was QF25 MEL-AKL-LAX.(may have done BNe at some time)
I often used to take the MEL-AKL leg at a time when could upgrade a cheap econ fare. Best was a $110 MEL-AKL then upgraded with QF points (far lower points cost than now) on the B747.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...05ZZ/NZAA/KLAX
QF cutting AKL - LAX
Edit
https://simpleflying.com/non-stop-vs-direct-flights/
having the same flight numbers doesn't mean direct.
Many U.S. airlines have flights from Europe to a U.S. city, where change of aircraft at U.S. port of entry, but same flight number, then onto another U.S. city, often in a much smaller aircraft.
Direct means, you don't have to change aircraft. Everytime you change aircraft, there's a potential for delay. How many times have you been sitting at an airport & hear something like ......... flight 1234 is delayed due to late arrival of inbound aircraft. If you're on the same aircraft, it can't be late. It's already there. Qantas used to fly BNE/LAX direct (via AKL)
Many U.S. airlines have flights from Europe to a U.S. city, where change of aircraft at U.S. port of entry, but same flight number, then onto another U.S. city, often in a much smaller aircraft.
Direct means, you don't have to change aircraft. Everytime you change aircraft, there's a potential for delay. How many times have you been sitting at an airport & hear something like ......... flight 1234 is delayed due to late arrival of inbound aircraft. If you're on the same aircraft, it can't be late. It's already there. Qantas used to fly BNE/LAX direct (via AKL)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
A direct flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which may include one or more stops at an intermediate point(s).[1] A stop may either be to get new passengers (or allow some to disembark) or a technical stop over (i.e., for refuelling). Direct flights are often confused with non-stop flights, which are a special case of direct flights involving no intermediate stops.[2] When there is a change in flight number, the subsequent flight is referred to as a connecting flight.
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The QF AKL LAX flight was QF25 MEL-AKL-LAX.(may have done BNe at some time)
I often used to take the MEL-AKL leg at a time when could upgrade a cheap econ fare. Best was a $110 MEL-AKL then upgraded with QF points (far lower points cost than now) on the B747.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...05ZZ/NZAA/KLAX
QF cutting AKL - LAX
Edit
https://simpleflying.com/non-stop-vs-direct-flights/
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Oct 18, 2021 at 9:33 pm
Oct 18, 2021, 5:36 pm
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Oct 18, 2021, 6:09 pm
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Way off topic
No.No. No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight
===
The QF AKL LAX flight was QF25 MEL-AKL-LAX.(may have done BNe at some time)
I often used to take the MEL-AKL leg at a time when could upgrade a cheap econ fare. Best was a $110 MEL-AKL then upgraded with QF points (far lower points cost than now) on the B747.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...05ZZ/NZAA/KLAX
QF cutting AKL - LAX
No.No. No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight
===
The QF AKL LAX flight was QF25 MEL-AKL-LAX.(may have done BNe at some time)
I often used to take the MEL-AKL leg at a time when could upgrade a cheap econ fare. Best was a $110 MEL-AKL then upgraded with QF points (far lower points cost than now) on the B747.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...05ZZ/NZAA/KLAX
QF cutting AKL - LAX
Oct 18, 2021, 8:54 pm
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above definition is not correct. Does not matter about flight numbers, it matters about aircraft. Am sure Qantas will call BNE/LAX/BNE direct in an A332, but am sure quite a few flights, with a decent load, will stop somewhere for fuel, probably in Fiji, esp westbound.
”The term "direct flight" is not legally defined in the United States,[3] but since the 1970s the Official Airline Guides have defined the term simply as a flight(s) with a single flight number.[3](In earlier years "direct" in the OAG did mean "no plane change".)”
Oct 18, 2021, 9:32 pm
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QF11/12, QR771/772 and CX100/CX101 in the '80s (where one 747-200 served both SYD and MEL) were examples of direct not-non stop flights. QF11/12 involved a plane change in LAX as well, normally directs involve the same aircraft.
Oct 20, 2021, 5:34 am
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Meanwhile, in good old isolated WA you can book flights to Broome, Kalgoorlie or a mining site all ex PER at still over inflated prices. 😭😡
Direct or indirect or all stops at the "border"...😭
Direct or indirect or all stops at the "border"...😭
Oct 21, 2021, 8:28 am
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Oct 21, 2021, 4:07 pm
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(abc.net.au)---->Qantas staff to return to work before Christmas as nationwide restart of international travel begins
Qantas Newsroom -->QANTAS AND JETSTAR GEAR UP FOR ACCELERATED BORDER OPENING
The national carrier will also bring back two of its Airbus A380 aircraft earlier than planned and is in discussions with Boeing about accelerating the delivery of three brand new 787 Dreamliners, which have been in storage for most of the pandemic.
<snip>
International schedule update
Qantas plans to launch a new route from Sydney to Delhi on 6 December 2021 with three return flights per week with its A330 aircraft, building to daily flights by end of the year. This is subject to discussions with Indian authorities to finalise necessary approvals. The flights would initially operate until at least late March 2022, with a view to continuing if there is sufficient demand. Flights from Sydney to Delhi would operate via Darwin, while flights from Delhi to Sydney would operate nonstop.
<snip>
Fleet update
Qantas has further accelerated the return of its fleet of A380 aircraft.
Originally expected to remain in long term storage in the Californian desert until the end of 2023, the Group announced in August that five A380s with upgraded cabins would return from July 2022 to operate Los Angeles and London flights. This is now being brought forward a further three months, with two of the A380s to commence flights to Los Angeles from April 2022. One aircraft could arrive by the end of this year to assist with crew training ahead of its return to service.
<snip>
International flights from SYD, but not MEL & BNE (Air Sydney at work!)
Perth & WA not mentioned. (for obvious reasons: need to be open)
Key points:
Qantas is preparing for a nationwide restart from December 21, with all its crews to be back to work before Christmas.
New South Wales opens its borders to the world from November 1, and the carrier has announced several international routes will restart sooner than expected, with Delhi, Singapore, Fiji, Johannesburg, Bangkok and Phuket among the earliest to open up. Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said a Qantas Dreamliner would depart from Sydney to Darwin on its way to London on November 1, the airline's first regular long-haul flight since March last year. "[It is] probably the biggest and the best news we've had for two years," Mr Joyce said. "This 20 months is probably the darkest period in Qantas's 100-year history."
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- More than 10,000 Qantas staff will return to work by December 21
- Several international routes are being restarted ahead of schedule
- Domestic routes are also being resumed as state borders reopen
Qantas is preparing for a nationwide restart from December 21, with all its crews to be back to work before Christmas.
New South Wales opens its borders to the world from November 1, and the carrier has announced several international routes will restart sooner than expected, with Delhi, Singapore, Fiji, Johannesburg, Bangkok and Phuket among the earliest to open up. Qantas CEO Alan Joyce said a Qantas Dreamliner would depart from Sydney to Darwin on its way to London on November 1, the airline's first regular long-haul flight since March last year. "[It is] probably the biggest and the best news we've had for two years," Mr Joyce said. "This 20 months is probably the darkest period in Qantas's 100-year history."
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- All Australian-based Qantas and Jetstar employees able to return to work in early December 21
- Qantas to launch new route from Sydney to Delhi before Christmas*
- Flights from Sydney to Singapore, Bangkok, Phuket, Johannesburg, Fiji to resume ahead of schedule
- Early return of the A380
- More Points Planes for frequent flyers
The national carrier will also bring back two of its Airbus A380 aircraft earlier than planned and is in discussions with Boeing about accelerating the delivery of three brand new 787 Dreamliners, which have been in storage for most of the pandemic.
<snip>
International schedule update
Qantas plans to launch a new route from Sydney to Delhi on 6 December 2021 with three return flights per week with its A330 aircraft, building to daily flights by end of the year. This is subject to discussions with Indian authorities to finalise necessary approvals. The flights would initially operate until at least late March 2022, with a view to continuing if there is sufficient demand. Flights from Sydney to Delhi would operate via Darwin, while flights from Delhi to Sydney would operate nonstop.
<snip>
Fleet update
Qantas has further accelerated the return of its fleet of A380 aircraft.
Originally expected to remain in long term storage in the Californian desert until the end of 2023, the Group announced in August that five A380s with upgraded cabins would return from July 2022 to operate Los Angeles and London flights. This is now being brought forward a further three months, with two of the A380s to commence flights to Los Angeles from April 2022. One aircraft could arrive by the end of this year to assist with crew training ahead of its return to service.
<snip>
Perth & WA not mentioned. (for obvious reasons: need to be open)
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Oct 21, 2021 at 4:44 pm
Oct 23, 2021, 5:09 am
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