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AC - SJU-YTO/YMQ/YOW - $433 r/t - Domestic First

AC - SJU-YTO/YMQ/YOW - $433 r/t - Domestic First

Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:32 pm
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AC - SJU-YTO/YMQ/YOW - $433 r/t - Domestic First

Huge price drop! This morning Air Canada filed what looks like new Y-UP fares (not totally sure) from San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU) to Toronto (YYZ / YTZ), Montreal (YUL), and Ottawa (YOW), Canada in business / domestic first. A roundtrip to YTZ with economy segments from YUL to YTZ is $433 USD, otherwise a roundtrip entirely in business starts at $535 USD. A one-way is approximately half the roundtrip cost.

The fare doesn't actually say these are Y-UP / Instant Upgrade fares or anything similar. Air Canada's website shows that these are actually economy tickets (usually Flex economy is cheaper than Standard economy, but not always). If you click on Details on the booking page it says, "Cabin: Business Class (C)" which is full-fare business. The seat map also allows selection in business. (expand spoiler for example) I'm not sure what you'll really receive!
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Ticket must be issued by April 27, 2024. Travel by April 27, 2024. You can get a stopover in the United States, otherwise connections in Canada can't be longer than 12 hours.

I haven't had time to try to maximize a routing. I wanted to post this should it be some kind of "sale" fare and disappear!

SJU-IAH-YUL-IAH-SJU
7174 Miles Roundtrip / $555 USD
7.7363 cents USD per Mile Flown

Crediting to United
11142 Redeemable Miles
2228 PQP (Cost per PQP - 24.91 cents USD)

Google Flights




SJU-YUL
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...qZ4ix5WLvaX568
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Tf2SZbpU6ckfX6

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SJU-YOW
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Skua4sThMe8XVA
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...2L1CCNB7pyDtT8

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SJU-YYZ
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...vtsGCVWK2B9uJ9
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...b6DbULdGtAuRb8

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SJU-YTZ
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...WU6QpCdiP1NDn6

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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:35 pm
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I will also mention that ITA Matrix shows these booking into Business (C) too!

SJU-YUL
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SJU-YYZ
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SJU-YOW
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:36 pm
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It's a good deal, but I totally thought this was in Canadian Dollars at first when I saw AC. :P
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:39 pm
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FYI this is technically a Standard fare, so change/cancellation fees are not as generous as a typical Business Lowest fare.
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:47 pm
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Isn't the reverse cheaper?

https://www.google.com/travel/flight...en-US&curr=GBP
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by asovse1
It's a good deal, but I totally thought this was in Canadian Dollars at first when I saw AC. :P
I wasn't sure whether to note the total in CAD too, but I normally use currency at the point of origin, which is a US territory in this case, so I stuck with USD. 750 CAD is still better than the usual 1250+ CAD!
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Imnothere
It's about the same.

You have to be careful, because some of these, like the cheapest options on the link you provided (usually non-stop flights), will book large portions or all of the trip into economy, not business. You can expand each flight as you choose to make sure all the segments are in business, but sometimes segments don't flip to economy until you're on the final page with the booking links.

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Old Apr 2, 2024, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by cruser1
SJU-IAH-YUL-IAH-SJU
7174 Miles Roundtrip / $555 USD
7.7363 cents USD per Mile Flown

Crediting to United
11142 Redeemable Miles
2228 PQP (Cost per PQP - 24.91 cents USD)
The UA PQP doesn't quite add up. IAH-YUL is only 1,584mi, so even at C fare (200% redeemable miles), it's 634PQP (or 1,268PQP IAH-YUL-IAH). Remaining portion IAH-SJU is on UA metal, so the PQP is determined based on fare, which would be maybe a few hundred PQP. So not sure how PQP can add up to over 2,000.

Regardless, for $630 USD roundtrip, the PQP yield is still pretty good, but a lot of narrowbody flying.
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by hirohito888
The UA PQP doesn't quite add up. IAH-YUL is only 1,584mi, so even at C fare (200% redeemable miles), it's 634PQP (or 1,268PQP IAH-YUL-IAH). Remaining portion IAH-SJU is on UA metal, so the PQP is determined based on fare, which would be maybe a few hundred PQP. So not sure how PQP can add up to over 2,000.

Regardless, for $630 USD roundtrip, the PQP yield is still pretty good, but a lot of narrowbody flying.
Of course, the one time I decide to use the PQP calculator instead of calculating myself it fails me! Haha!
https://pqp.economiles.com/?q=SJU,IA...H,SJU,UA,C|SJU,,,


Let's calculate this manually.

SJU-IAH - UA operated and 4008 miles roundtrip
A "C" fare earns 150% based on Special Tickets - https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...es/united.html

4008 * 1.5 = 6012 Redeemable Miles
6012 / 5 = 1202 PQP or 601 PQP in each direction, which is less than the PQP cap

IAH-YUL - AC operated and 3166 miles roundtrip
A "C" fare earns 200% based on the Air Canada chart - https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/mil...ir-canada.html

3166 * 2 = 6332 Redeemable Miles
6332 / 5 = 1266 PQP or 633 PQP in each direction, which is less than the PQP cap

Now we add it up - 1202 + 1266 = 2468 PQP

I guess the PQP calculator actually under-estimated!
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 3:17 pm
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Looking at flights between San Juan and Vancouver, the reverse is definitely cheaper.

SJU-YVR - $820 roundtrip
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...eSdtEqwqMXK9NA
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...ETceg8Zrtmrfz6

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YVR-SJU - $633 USD / 858 CAD Roundtrip
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...UT2FKi4GPsi4S9
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...eMDE6z6wbJpqQ7
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...Vnn6PBAX8f9fUA

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YVR-YYC-YUL-SJU-YUL-YYC-YVR
8422 Miles / $633 Roundtrip
7.5160 cents USD per Mile

Crediting to United - Entirely operated by AC so 16844 redeemable miles and 3368 PQP's. Cost per PQP is 18.7945 cents USD.
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 4:01 pm
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Wasn't there a fellow Premium Fare hunter looking to skip lag to avoid flying to SJU instead of returning to Canada. Here's the best of both worlds!
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Wasn't there a fellow Premium Fare hunter looking to skip lag to avoid flying to SJU instead of returning to Canada. Here's the best of both worlds!

FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - DL SCL-MIA/ATL-(SJU) $1000 One Way (ZNNA0NDZ)

Was it mykel67?
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 5:28 pm
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Yup. Well done.
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 5:46 pm
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Saw some routings to/from YVR that have a flat bed on the YUL/YYZ-YVR or vice versa portion.
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Old Apr 2, 2024, 6:19 pm
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FYI Puerto Rico has a dengue health emergency going on right now.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/27/12412...-facts-disease
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