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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 3:09 pm
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Except I doubt this, I really do. We'll get the better X-ray machines and still be required to remove our laptops (or all electronics or liquids or whatever) "in an abundance of caution".

We got the sniffers, and even when they were in use, there was (presumably) an "overabundance of caution" (or another layer of security) that still required shoes off.
Just like shoes off before the puffer.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 5:11 pm
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Sad, always the threat!

Very civil, professional presentation. I found it some what informative, especially since law is not my area of expertise. That is until the end and the twist was put into it. Followed with a thinly disguised threat of the stick. Totally nullified the any good the presentation will have had. Well at least with this member of the traveling public. Just sad, so sad.
What a waste of a opportunity to communicate.
Would have responded on TSA's site, but concerns about it's setup, purpose, and security. Especially with her employment of that thinly disguised threat of the stick in her conclusion.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 11:10 pm
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Another one bites the dust....

TSO Tom is out said [on February 21, 2008 9:45 PM]...

[quote begins]Anonymous said...
Francine, what about the idea that this is a public forum and the TSA (the government) has no right to moderate comments that don't endanger national security, employee safety, etc. Isn't racist, offensive, vulgar, off topic, and promotional speech clearly protected?[quote ends]

February 21, 2008 5:21 PM

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I disagree with you anon, you see, you still have the right to keep your name off this forum. This is a TSA sponsored site, created and maintained by same, as a result, TSA has the right and obligation to keep the postings on this site free of slander, obscenities and what not. personally, anon, I'm getting a little tired of the complaints. I hear them every day at the checkpoint, "don't want to take my shoes off" don't want to take my liquids out, etc. It's annoying but we TSO's deal with it, alot of us don't even come in here because it just makes us angry to see such an unappreciattive public. That's the problem with Americans, we complain too much! But it is our contstituional right to do so isn't it? I originally volunteered to become part of the blog team, but this shall be my last post. TSO Tom is signing off the blog permanantly. I don't have time for this nonsense. Kip, you opened a flood gate of complaints, with good intentions, but its not getting through. I shall continue doing my job 110 percent every day, but the more I read the nonesense in here, the more irritated I get.
Where you can find this statement by one of our highly esteemed TSO's
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by Andy1369
I posted a comment in response to that, but it hasn't been posted yet. Have at least 2 that are pending there.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by Andy1369
Interesting that TSO Tom's rant has been deleted as of this morning.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 8:02 am
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It's annoying but we TSO's deal with it, alot of us don't even come in here because it just makes us angry to see such an unappreciattive public. That's the problem with Americans, we complain too much! But it is our contstituional right to do so isn't it? I originally volunteered to become part of the blog team, but this shall be my last post. TSO Tom is signing off the blog permanantly. I don't have time for this nonsense. Kip, you opened a flood gate of complaints, with good intentions, but its not getting through.
Alrighty then.

Let me paraphrase:

"Y'all better bend over and like it. I'm protecting you from evil, and it's for your own good. You are ingrates. And, I really wish we didn't have a pesky thing like a constitution to get in our way. Kippy, your intention was to 'learn' the public, but it's really just about complaints and we don't, can't and shouldn't respond to complaints. I'll just go back and continue to stick it to the public"
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by txrus
Interesting that TSO Tom's rant has been deleted as of this morning.
OK, so that's the one that was deleted! Very interesting indeed.

And BTW, TSO Tom, you are correct in this statement that the public is "unappreciattive." Why? Because more and more of the public are realizing that you are just promoting a dog and pony show.

Fortunately, the TSA blog is furthering that realization.

BTW, has any else noticed that the Inconsistencies blog is not accessible?

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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by doober
OK, so that's the one that was deleted! Very interesting indeed.

And BTW, TSO Tom, you are correct in this statement that the public is "unappreciattive." Why? Because more and more of the public are realizing that you are just promoting a dog and pony show.

Fortunately, the TSA blog is furthering that realization.

BTW, has any else noticed that the Inconsistencies blog is not accessible?
I'm wondering if we should start a pool as to how long until Evolution disappears completely? I'm thinking it's not long for the world now that Kip & Ko. are starting to realize how the gen'l public feels about them overall.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 8:41 am
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Have portions of Kip Hawley's liquids post been deleted?
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by hl78
Have portions of Kip Hawley's liquids post been deleted?
I think the entire post has been deleted.
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by hl78
Have portions of Kip Hawley's liquids post been deleted?

...if Kippie himself even wrote it...
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Old Feb 22, 2008 | 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by txrus
Interesting that TSO Tom's rant has been deleted as of this morning.
At least some of Tom's ideas can be found in other posts.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 5:33 pm
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This comment on the blog (the one where the counsel posted the law info) scares me:

Anonymous said...

Ms. Kerner's statement is an absolutely correct statement of the law. When you're at a Customs or TSA checkpoint, the Supreme Court has effectively held that the entire Bill of Rights magically disappears. At the checkpoint, a passenger has no rights whatsoever, and is presumed guilty until the screener or officer decides you're not. The only law that applies is the whim and caprice of the officer who happens to be handling your screening or interrogation. Regardless of what any official "policy" says, if you give the officer any reason to dislike you, he or she has complete authority to inspect and your person and/or dismember or confiscate your belongings as he or she sees fit, and to make you as miserable and humiliated as he or she deems necessary. And there's nothing you can do about it, as any hint of complaining or disobedience will only give reason to escalate the humiliating treatment.

The only thing you can do is to be fully cognizant of the fact that you have no rights and you're entirely at the mercy of the officer you're facing. Approaching the checkpoint with the correct humble attitude, and with a demeanor that shows full respect, submissive docility, and above all complete and immediate obedience to their every word, MAY reduce the likelihood of giving them reason to assert their authority. But there are no guarantees of anything.

TSOs, Customs agents, and anyone with a badge deserves total respect and complete submission to their absolute authority. Many of these officials are highly competent and professonal and merit respect because they and have earned it through the respect they show. But those who aren't highly competent and professional merit even more respect because they're the ones most eager to inflict punishment for failing to show respect.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Andy1369
This comment on the blog (the one where the counsel posted the law info) scares me:
...and me.
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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 6:46 pm
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Me too. I can only hope that they're being sarcastic and satirical in that post.
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