Caught at the CP. Taken away by the LEO's.

Are these the same people you refer to in a previous post - still under investigation ? I'd certainly be interested in knowing what if any charges are laid against them. Except for the Patriot Act excesses, I am not aware that simply carrying a false ID is a crime per se. Indicative of criminal intent perhaps. Terrorism ? Highly doubtful IMHO.

Andy White should be screened and still allowed to fly. It's none of our business why the ticket was giving up to him. If he is screened and cleared by you guys, how is he a threat to aviation?

Again, checking of a ID to a BP does not provide any kind of security. It provides more of a hassle.


No, its fact. On average we had about 1500 passengers on my shift a day. During holidays that picked up to about 2500 passengers. You want to know something , it helped are management decide when overtime should be done and when it shouldn't.

No family but mother and father who were also in the military about 15 years ago with less salary then me could fly from overseas back home and visit family. They did it on comerical flights to. If you planned ahead, the size family wouldn't matter.


Difference between you and him, he proably flies through a lot and you only work at one. His observation might be on point for the airports he flies through.

Read what was wrote also.

Im sorry but I don't seen many contract ticket checkers up near the equipment and on the other side. PHX checks on the side before the Walkthru, a TSA person btw and on the Walkthru side. TUS does the same. Chicago ticket checker, contract, just the tickets then directs you to a line and then the person at the walkthru takes the ticket and has you screened if your SSSS.


BTW the SSSS system is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever seen.

The examples I cited at DTW, SMF and EUG are from personal experience. I could cite examples stated to me by others, but I prefer to stick to my personal experiences.

The examples I cited were done by TSA-uniformed people after the BP/ID check. I handed my BP to the TSA guy on the other side of the WTMD. Same thing at SMF. EUG had three different TSA people hold my boarding pass before getting it back after walking through the WTMD.

Since a false ID was presented and the is a requirement to present ID at airports, this is an example of impersonation. Attempting to gain a benefit by by assuming a false identity.

Like I said, it is going to be decided in a lawsuit by people that are smarter than you and I. I am for the checking of ID and we will have to agree to disagree on this.

Like I said, it is going to be decided in a lawsuit by people that are smarter than you and I. I am for the checking of ID and we will have to agree to disagree on this. [/quote]





Wow that is really a class X airport. We run 17k to 48 k on our shift. There is a larger error probability.



So whats your point? Why are you digging me? You must be just arguing for the sake of it. I have 5 children and a wife and every cent counts.




Integrated VS dedicated lanes. No surprise here. He was talking like it happens all over and it does not.


You sure have seen a lot of b.s. in your life, each one you attest to being the biggest.

If that is the case, then surely being off by 1000 shouldn't nearly be as much of a problem then being off by 1000 at his airport. 1000 is less than a 6% margin of error in the lightest times, and a 2% margin of error at peak times with the numbers you gave.

As that is a pretty decent margin of error, it sounds like the incompetence isn't with the airlines.

If TSA were even remotely efficient, you'd think they'd have statisticians that could have at least figured out the numbers of pax within 3 standard deviations. Heck, there's even software that could figure out solutions like that. They'd at least be able to predict with reasonable accuracy the number of screeners needed.

Eyecue,


Yeah but like every airport in this nation, the security lanes and people staffing them to make up for the numbers. We had on average only one lane open and a selectee lane and were able to process most people through w/o a problem.

O'Hare, the busy airport of the world, has about 6 or 7 lanes in terminal two for one checkpoint and during peak times all are open and the lines aren't really that long.

Why because the airport and TSA work together to know when the most passengers are coming through and when extra flights are added so a airline doesn't get hit with huge delays because they don't inform TSA.

Ok, I'll redo that. The whole airport security system by TSA is a bunch of BS. Ive talked to people in the military since being in that were asked to test it and said how much of a joke it is. And some of these guys know more about fighting terrorists and then any Screening Manager, FSD, AFSD, Supervisor, Lead, or screener does.

I got fed up with working with TSA because it was more harassment then it was help. The x-rays that are being used to check carry-ons are bad, you'd be lucky to catch someone thats planted a explosive in there because of all the items in a bag that a person carries. Then again you don't really have to do that because you can just strap in on you and never get caught.

Airport security didn't fail America on 9/11, Government intelligence did but security has taken the fall.

This is one of your most recent posts and why I have some issue with you.

How do you know for a fact that the people sending the new procedures and stuff down to you guys are security experts? What have some of these people done that make them so.

Fact is, a lot of people here and around the world proably know better because the guys that come up with these planes to attack America are not seasoned veterns. They don't do multiply attacks and learn from mistakes. They usually do one major attack that kills everyone involved so no lesson can be learned.

If 9/11 had been done by experts, that 4th plane would have hit it's target.


How about instead of giving these people grief for their comments all the time you just see what they write and think about what it is their saying. A lot of it makes sense.


Oh and a for instance.

In the next few weeks Ill be traveling on orders overseas and I've already talked to my airport here and they said just bring my orders and the airline can remove the SSSS if I should get it.

In O'Hare they said that had been done away with and all people get screened with SSSS.

Once you start to travel you start to understand the hassel, and I've flown through only a few airports. Some of these people fly thru hundreds a year.

I get it now! You are an Xscreener Just posting sour grapes! I dont dish out half the grief to the FF as they do to TSA. You logic is flawed as is your sense of patriotism and devotion to an employer. Its probably a good thing that you joined the military as they can certainly show you how to get things done. If your theory on terrorists is correct, nothing would have come out of the investigation of the PAN AM flight in Scotland.

I've been posting here since I was a screener. I posted my sour grapes with this organization while I was a screener. Yes, I do still have sour grapes about the organization.

My theory on terrorists is pretty much on key. Their all rookies pretty much when it comes to what happens, with a few expections. Great amounts of planning may go into the stuff but in the end planning don't mean nothing unless you successfully pull it off.

I'm enjoying the hell out of the military so far. I really want to get out there and finally start doing my rate. As for showing me how to get things done, I've already learned how to do that before joining the military, or my arse would still be stuck in the TSA and maybe believing I was doing something good for the flying public.

BTW your logic is flawed, if I was a xscreener here to pour sour grapes I would do so to all screeners here. Big difference between you and the others that post here, you feel this people don't know a damn thing and the stories they post have to be lies because it just can't happen in your eyes, such as the poster in the other thread that had a screwdriver and something else in her purse but it was never caught.

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Well, we'll have to wait for the Gilmore case to run its course to see, won't we? Your agency won't say whether it is required by law or not. Secret law is a bit of a pain, isn't it?

I am amazed sometimes to hear the anti-TSA rantings of some flyers?

First off don;t blame the front line agents for stupid policies. They are told to enforce certain rules and do it whether the rules make sense or not. Your Joe Blow police officer enforces the laws written by politicans, he doesn't pick and choose what to enforce (or at least shouldn't).

2. In any organization there will be good employees and bad ones. Don't pick one incident that happened to you and based on that one incident paint all TSA employees as being the same.

3. Were you happier with the pre-TSA $7 an hour security we had? I know I wasn't.

I have personally never had any problems with the TSA and I fly every week. Some TSA employees are friendlier but that's about it. I follow the rules, don't try to be a jackass and all works well. If you are a jerk, are beligerent, have a me vs them attitude to start with, you will cause trouble.

So in short, chill out, take your shoes off, take your belt off, go through the machine and get on with your life.

I was much happier, or perhaps it would be better to say a lot less annoyed by the previous method of airport security than the current method. And I believe I was just as secure.

If you are the type of person who freely gives up your liberties and doesn't give a thought as to how we got those liberties or what it is like to live in a place that doesn't have our liberties, then you will be fine at the airport. The rest of us will continue to fight back in whatever way possible.

Why weren't you happy with security before TSA. Security did nothing wrong at on 9/11 to warrent turning airport security over to the government.

The government and airlines made the list of things allowed on and off a plane before TSA. The government made the procedures for how a hijacking will be handled.

Sure box cutters were used to take control of the flight crew, but then again it was procedure to work with terrorists in a hijack situation rather then fight them before pre Tsa.

Read what people post, it's more then just one event that usually causes the problem.