exbayern

But again, for many people it is NOT out of spite. My hard of hearing, German speaking mother definitely wouldn't be doing it from spite.

BadgerBoi

Perhaps you misread me - I don't think your mother works for the TSA and I'm sure she's not spiteful. I meant spite on the part of the authorities.

exbayern

Whoops! I absolutely did misread you!! No, you are correct on both counts!

Sorry, I was mislead and confused by the continued argument some presented that simply because one does not reply one should be considered a risk.

OldGoat

But the passenger does communicate with the TSO and supervisor. The passenger provides the boarding pass and ID. That's communication. It's the communication that's been used for over a decade. If you don't see how ID can be verified using this method, perhaps you don't know how your job has been done by others, and done to the TSAs satisfaction.

And that is one of the major problems with the TSA. Some TSOs are so full of themselves that they see passengers as subjects for abuse, rather than law-abiding people peacefully going about their business, in this "land of the free".

I daresay those with the attitude expressed above have done more to damage the liberties we [used to] enjoy then all of the terrorist incidents to date.

Boggie Dog

So your answer to this situation is retaliation, is that correct?

I see later in this thread that you call yourself a TSM. Is using retaliation how you train the employees you supervise?

Boggie Dog

Your argument seems to be that TSA's procedures to verify Identity Documents and Boarding Passes is faulty so TSA is resorting to asking names.

Then I have to wonder how you screen someone who cannot speak since you're making some kind of argument that not saying a name prevents TSA from screening a person.

Are TSA screening processes so weak and faulty that you're relying on the passenger to say their name, really?

If this requirement to 'Say your Name' is so damn important for Castrobenes to be able to screen a person why is this policy not stated anywhere in publicly available documents?

Boggie Dog

I would suggest that TSA has lost when it puts people in a position of authority that openly admits to using retaliation during screening.

Why don't you tell us which airport you work at so we can forward your comment to your FSD. I'm sure he would be proud of you.

edit to add:

betting Castro won't man up and say which airport?

Bonnerbl

Yesterday at SFO Terminal #3 the id checker did not ask me to pronounce my name. Perhaps they woke up with an attack of common sense

halls120

If this is what you actually do on the job, you should be fired. Immediately.

I truly hope that someday I transit the airport where you work, and that you play your little power trip with me. You see, I always arrive at the airport early, so your veiled threat that you will delay my travel because I will refuse to speak to you is an empty threat.

RichardKenner

Refusing to answer a question by a governmental actor is not permitted to "arouse suspicions" under the 5th Amendment.

InkUnderNails

The 4th is already gone so why would they worry about the 5th?

jkhuggins

Unfortunately, that's not relevant to the discussion here. The 5th amendment deals with criminal proceedings. Attempting to pass through a TSA checkpoint does not incur criminal liability.


(Yet.)

stifle

I wonder what would happen if I spoke to a TDC in Irish.

Gigantor

In March 2001, I was going through an individual security screening at Schiphol (AMS) in preparation to board the NW DC10.

Agent: Are you travelling alone today?
Me: No, I hope to travel with at least two pilots and all of these other passengers.

Agent: Please give me your passport.
Me: (I gave him my Swiss and US passports) Here, take your pick.

He asked me to wait for his supervisor.
The boss came over and asked me to answer the questions without any attempt at humour.

That was all.

NotaCriminal

I am thoroughly dismayed, yet again, by the words and alleged retaliatory actions of yet another TSA employee. Imagine that...

I'd sincerely like to know, Castobenes, how my privacy is protected when being asked questions by a TDC. You see, as I've stated a few different times in other threads, 95% of my travel is alone. As a woman traveling alone, I do not wish to provide my name, DOB, destination or the the like for everyone in the line to hear. I've had it happen more than once that someone has overheard it, and uses that information to talk to me at the airport bar or Starbucks or the like. That makes me incredibly uncomfortable and I now take issue with any TDC that forces me to state my information, or who reads my information off my ID for anyone to hear. I'll avoid getting into it with the TDC if there's the "line" system where people are required to stand back from the TDC, but not, if forced to speak out loud or if the TDC says my name out loud, I am a rather unhappy camper and I'll ask for a supervisor as to obtaining a privacy statement since I was forced to provide personal identifying information or the TDC repeated my information directly from my ID.

My privacy and ability to transit an airport safely and without some other passenger hitting on me in the bar is rather important to me. I'm an introvert, I keep to myself and I value my privacy greatly. Yet what I'm hearing is that some TDC like this Castrobenes can just be a jerk and make my life difficult by calling for a retaliatory screening because I expect privacy when it comes to my personal identifying information. In fact, the government condones identity theft and harrassment by both its employees and other passengers because someone like Castrobenes feels the need to verbally verify my identity despite the ID in his or her own hand. All that's missing is for someone to start asking for my SSN. Sheesh.