Checking firearms
Jun 21, 2011, 7:44 am
#31
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True, however you can only ship a pistol by Fedex and they will require it be sent overnight as a non-FFL holder. Much cheaper for me to just check my rifle case with the five guns in it.
Jun 21, 2011, 8:35 am
#32
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If you use the firearms for a living, getting them stolen after checking them in can ruin your whole day...Netanyahu's Bodyguard weapons stolen at JFK
I wonder what the backup-plan there was. Perhaps BATF had a few extra weapons they were willing to let slip through on the sly.
I wonder what the backup-plan there was. Perhaps BATF had a few extra weapons they were willing to let slip through on the sly.
Jun 21, 2011, 2:01 pm
#33
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Jun 21, 2011, 2:03 pm
#34
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Its only the luggage with a firearm inside, and because it is not locked. Which is an FAA requirement. Not sure if airline policy is simply that because of the FAA, or if they collectively actively wish that, too.
Jun 21, 2011, 2:12 pm
#35
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Because the airline will not take possession of firearms or similar items as they would other items.
For example, if TSA discovers a flammable aerosol in your checked luggage that is not allowed, and the airline can not get hold of you, TSA does not keep the item, the airline takes possession of you. The name on the destination take and flight info is recorded, and if the passenger contacts the airline, they can try to have their aerosol shipped to them the proper way.
However, some things they will not take possession of. Often, more so depending upon the time of year, we find stray bullets in bags, no guns, just bullets. Again, TSA does not take possession of the bullet, NOR will the airline. The airport LEO takes it. This is actually pretty common throughout the year - stray bullets. And lets call them unsecured firearms, with no passenger to be had, well, it will not go, the police will take it.
We do find firearms not properly secured. The last one I found was a .45 rolled in news paper. The police went down to the gate, and got the man who's bag it was. But now imagine the situation I am describing where the bag is shipped to the wrong location, the lock is cut because the bag has to be re-screened - and there is no passenger there. The police will be given the gun.
For example, if TSA discovers a flammable aerosol in your checked luggage that is not allowed, and the airline can not get hold of you, TSA does not keep the item, the airline takes possession of you. The name on the destination take and flight info is recorded, and if the passenger contacts the airline, they can try to have their aerosol shipped to them the proper way.
However, some things they will not take possession of. Often, more so depending upon the time of year, we find stray bullets in bags, no guns, just bullets. Again, TSA does not take possession of the bullet, NOR will the airline. The airport LEO takes it. This is actually pretty common throughout the year - stray bullets. And lets call them unsecured firearms, with no passenger to be had, well, it will not go, the police will take it.
We do find firearms not properly secured. The last one I found was a .45 rolled in news paper. The police went down to the gate, and got the man who's bag it was. But now imagine the situation I am describing where the bag is shipped to the wrong location, the lock is cut because the bag has to be re-screened - and there is no passenger there. The police will be given the gun.
Jun 21, 2011, 2:43 pm
#36
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And, again, it's the airline who will have a lot of explaining to do: (a) why the bag was sent to the wrong destination in the first place, and (b) why the bag was allowed to exit the sterile area in the first place, necessitating the re-screening.
Jun 21, 2011, 3:11 pm
#38
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But how does that change what I said will happen? All I was doing was stating what could possibly happen - not saying which airline employee will be punished. And yes, the airline might pay to have the firearm shipped. But the passenger will still have to take time out of their schedule to handle all of that... changes nothing of what I said.
Jun 21, 2011, 3:13 pm
#39
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Jun 21, 2011, 4:04 pm
#40
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We do find firearms not properly secured. The last one I found was a .45 rolled in news paper. The police went down to the gate, and got the man who's bag it was. But now imagine the situation I am describing where the bag is shipped to the wrong location, the lock is cut because the bag has to be re-screened - and there is no passenger there. The police will be given the gun.
Jun 21, 2011, 4:04 pm
#41
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I agree, a low level employee will be punished.
But how does that change what I said will happen? All I was doing was stating what could possibly happen - not saying which airline employee will be punished. And yes, the airline might pay to have the firearm shipped. But the passenger will still have to take time out of their schedule to handle all of that... changes nothing of what I said.
But how does that change what I said will happen? All I was doing was stating what could possibly happen - not saying which airline employee will be punished. And yes, the airline might pay to have the firearm shipped. But the passenger will still have to take time out of their schedule to handle all of that... changes nothing of what I said.
Jun 21, 2011, 4:19 pm
#42
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Of course, the TSA could relock the hypothetical luggage with one of the many locks that they "forget" to put back on opened bags daily and ship it on to the rightful owner.
Jun 21, 2011, 4:30 pm
#43
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I am guessing as to whether or not a gun will be shipped. Once at that point, its beyond TSA's hands.
Jun 21, 2011, 4:32 pm
#44
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I do understand what your saying...but again, I have seen it. And I could imagine the airline flying the passenger to that airport. However, as I was pointing out to those who say stick a gun in there to solve your problems - that would be a much worse situation, wouldn't it?
Jun 21, 2011, 4:33 pm
#45
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It would only be unlocked if you (TSA) ignored the FAR and opened the luggage without the passenger present. This is why I have very good locks that most bolt cutters can't touch.... and my name and number etched near the locks.
Of course, the TSA could relock the hypothetical luggage with one of the many locks that they "forget" to put back on opened bags daily and ship it on to the rightful owner.
Of course, the TSA could relock the hypothetical luggage with one of the many locks that they "forget" to put back on opened bags daily and ship it on to the rightful owner.
lol as to your other comment, yes, sometimes locks are left off. I know I have done it. It does happen. Yet, you also know we cant put someone's lock on another persons bag. Or are you suggesting 2 wrongs make a right?