Disruptive passenger incident on AA 1561 ORD to SFO May 8 2011
May 9, 2011, 8:05 am
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Doubt?
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The link below will take you to the article that CNN wrote about this incident. The stories seem to match up pretty well.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/09...ex.html?hpt=T2
The link below will take you to the article that CNN wrote about this incident. The stories seem to match up pretty well.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/09...ex.html?hpt=T2
Last edited by JDiver; May 9, 2011 at 2:52 pm Reason: redacted quote and ad hominen response
May 9, 2011, 8:11 am
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In regards to the post where the FA said you'd get arrested if you kept taking photos, that's BS, isn't it? I think it's against AA policy to allow photos during flight of crew and crew duties, but it's not against the law.
Can anyone confirm? I'd be taking pictures of this no doubt just for record and possibly to help authorities if necessary. I'd be shooting video actually, but given the FAs words, I'd be confused as to whether to obey or not.
Can anyone confirm policy between law and AA here? I recall the monster thread on here of that guy taking photos of the beverage cart running over his foot and got stern threats from the FAs.
-BV
Can anyone confirm? I'd be taking pictures of this no doubt just for record and possibly to help authorities if necessary. I'd be shooting video actually, but given the FAs words, I'd be confused as to whether to obey or not.
Can anyone confirm policy between law and AA here? I recall the monster thread on here of that guy taking photos of the beverage cart running over his foot and got stern threats from the FAs.
-BV
May 9, 2011, 8:11 am
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OK, friends, cut to the chase - I know what is on everyone's minds!
1) Was the passenger able to convince the crew to fly to the destination so he could get full EQM?
2) Will the removed disruptive passenger get miles for the gurney ride?
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1) Was the passenger able to convince the crew to fly to the destination so he could get full EQM?
2) Will the removed disruptive passenger get miles for the gurney ride?
Friendly reminder: It does not pay to question and be confrontive merely because of a member's newness here. There are ways to question credibility without using ad hominem, and it may pay to wait a while before coming to a what may be a rash decision or judgment. Though some may not believe keeping FlyerTalk welcoming is particularly useful, it continues to be policy, which everyone here agreed to uphold when we were granted the privilege of membership. /Moderator hat on for this one
May 9, 2011, 8:13 am
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I am surprised that this guy made it that far up the aisles. I have always said that only two things have made air travel safer:
1. Secure cockpits
2. Passengers and flight crew are unwilling to cooperate
Everything else is security theater.
1. Secure cockpits
2. Passengers and flight crew are unwilling to cooperate
Everything else is security theater.
May 9, 2011, 8:14 am
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It is clearly stated on aa.com, and has been so for many years - and discussed in this Forum as well. It at least used to be stated in the flying ragazine. Given it is a directive and crew gave it within the lawful performance of their duties, no B.S. "Against the law" - well, violating crew instructions (all passengers must comply with all information in the safety cards, all lighted information signs, all posted placards and all crew instructions is within an FAR, iirc,) may indeed be a violation of a Federal law, whether we like it or not.
"Photography or video recording of airline personnel, equipment, or procedures is strictly prohibited." (sic)
"Photography or video recording of airline personnel, equipment, or procedures is strictly prohibited." (sic)
In regards to the post where the FA said you'd get arrested if you kept taking photos, that's BS. I think it's against AA policy to allow photos during flight, but it's not against the law.
Can anyone confirm? I'd be taking pictures of this no doubt just for record and possibly to help authorities if necessary. I'd be shooting video actually, but given the FAs words, I'd be confused as to whether to obey or not.
Can anyone confirm policy between law and AA here. I recall the monster thread on here of that guy taking photos of the beverage cart running over his foot and got stern threats from the FAs.
-BV
Can anyone confirm? I'd be taking pictures of this no doubt just for record and possibly to help authorities if necessary. I'd be shooting video actually, but given the FAs words, I'd be confused as to whether to obey or not.
Can anyone confirm policy between law and AA here. I recall the monster thread on here of that guy taking photos of the beverage cart running over his foot and got stern threats from the FAs.
-BV
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May 9, 2011, 8:14 am
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I see some additional verbiage added to AA's policy, ".. if you are forcefully removed from flight, your mileage accrual will be divided up to those who took you out..."
If you made it EQM earnings, it would motivate mileage runners to kick some a$$
May 9, 2011, 8:15 am
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May 9, 2011, 8:16 am
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At a certain point, it may be necessary to overlook AA "rules" when it's a potential threat to national security. I think it's important for us frequent travelers to know what the true line is here so we can act constructively and appropriately in such a situation.
PS - Per the earlier post, the FA said to stop taking photos unless you wanted to get arrested. That means she was insinuating that taking photos on an airplane is breaking the LAW.
Last edited by BrianV; May 9, 2011 at 8:19 am Reason: Added PS since I didn't quote the original post
May 9, 2011, 8:27 am
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One of the pax on flight to DFW now says he was aboard. Said pax reacted in lockstep to disturbed man and were applauded.
One of the pax on flight to DFW now says he was aboard. Said pax reacted in lockstep to disturbed man and were applauded.
May 9, 2011, 8:30 am
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In reality, you would need to really be pushing the issue to have them call ahead and have you taken off the plane in cuffs.
May 9, 2011, 8:32 am
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If the FA or another uniformed crew member gives you instructions to follow their company policy, you can and will be arrested. Outside of that, I dont believe the photograph portion is law.
In reality, you would need to really be pushing the issue to have them call ahead and have you taken off the plane in cuffs.
In reality, you would need to really be pushing the issue to have them call ahead and have you taken off the plane in cuffs.
Some quick google'ing does seem to show it's against federal law to disobey a flight attendant. It's vague, but that pretty much sums it up. Like you said though, I doubt charges would be formally pressed by authorities or AA in a situation like this.
May 9, 2011, 8:34 am
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I would have taken pictures if some nutbag ran up the middle of the plane screaming stuff that made it seem like he was trying to blow it up.
May 9, 2011, 9:08 am
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http://www.npr.org/tablet/#story/?storyId=136133158
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May 9, 2011, 10:02 am
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The Female FA was very stern after they subdued him. Seat belts on, electronics away, etc... Tensions were high and they were just trying to get and keep control and calm. Also if I am guessing the guy who got told this was standing as we were on approach with a cell phone camera, two no-no's on any flight as we all know. Anyways, thanks for those also who gave this over 5 year lurker support on this post! Safe Travels!