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STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 15113634)
So much for



Apparently how you respond is partially up to others.

Interesting that you would look to avoid personal responsibility for the times you do not act in a courteous and professional manner.

It is not acting professional to blame your actions on others.

Oh I don't blame my actions on others at all.....I am the only one in control of my actions...that I know. I treat everyone with respect and courtesy until that person treats me with so much disrespect that I lose all regard for how I make you feel. And that's all me.....it doesn't happen very often....but when dealing with massive amounts of people it happens every blue moon. When I have a passenger that tells me they hope someone blows up the airport while i'm in it....or says they hope their bag blows up in my face....or implies that I am uneducated because of where I choose to work I do admit that I get a bit defensive.

Scubatooth Nov 10, 2010 11:44 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113670)
I never said anything I do is "wrong" I said there are some things that I don't agree with or like doing.

And everyone saying you are more like to have this and that happen and there were more people killed by this than on 9/11 are not in the same position as some other people. Like say me for instance. I lost 3 loved ones on United flight 175...the one that hit the South Tower....and I have never lost a loved one to a car accident or had a loved one in a major car accident ever. So I guess the odds were not in my favor or theirs huh?

A single data point does not sway the results in a million plus data point graph. I nearly lost a uncle on united 93, but due to a series of events didnt make the flight. I lost close HS friends in 9/11(NYPA,NYFD, Pentagon), i have lost many more in the senseless military actions since then, so whats your point. In my profession i see the best and the worst of the human condition. I have seen things that i wish could be unseen, that the average person would puke and breakdown in to a crying bumbling mass on the ground. There are images and sounds so etched into my memory that they I will never be able to shake loose

The odds are statical points, that are a result of the law of averages you could have 5 in a row and then go a long time before the next one comes up in the odds. It doesnt matter what the odds are if your number comes up thats it.

JoeBas Nov 10, 2010 11:46 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113572)
Well that's when you should use the methodology of an author named Stephen Covey. "Circle of Concern-aspects of an issue which you have concern about but have no control or influence, Circle of Influence- aspects of an issue in which you have direct or indirect control or influence, and YOU-what you have total control and influence over.

Figure out where your issue falls Circle of Concern, Influence, or it is YOU...and then respond appropriately.

Oh please, don't pervert Franklin/Covey at us.

If you want to use pop psych, look up the term "Enabler".

By participating in this disgusting TSA behavior, it's exactly what you are.

Not to co-opt a trite protest phrase, but "What if they had a TSA and nobody came?".

JSmith1969 Nov 10, 2010 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113572)
therefore I shall accept it like a big girl and just continue to do what I do professionally and in a courteous manner until I come in contact with a real jacka** who makes me stoop to their level.

There's no professional and courteous way to molest someone.

cordelli Nov 10, 2010 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113613)
I don't know this Negrin guy, but I suspect that him being made fun of was maybe an everyday occurrence.

Yup, every single professional place I've worked has been the same, people taunting each other over the size of their sex organs.

My supervisor is always cracking jokes about my penis size, it's just an everyday thing around every water cooler I'm sure.

The police report that says the X-ray revealed he had a small penis.

Yup, the police faked the report, and the entire case will be thrown out because of their carelessness.

Boggie Dog Nov 10, 2010 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113572)
Well that's when you should use the methodology of an author named Stephen Covey. "Circle of Concern-aspects of an issue which you have concern about but have no control or influence, Circle of Influence- aspects of an issue in which you have direct or indirect control or influence, and YOU-what you have total control and influence over.

Figure out where your issue falls Circle of Concern, Influence, or it is YOU...and then respond appropriately.

Things dealing with my jobs policies and procedures fall under circle of Concern for me....So that's where it shall lie....how I respond to it is all ME...There's nothing I alone can do to change our policies and procedures....therefore I shall accept it like a big girl and just continue to do what I do professionally and in a courteous manner until I come in contact with a real jacka** who makes me stoop to their level.

You could quit!

STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15113954)
You could quit!

Are you volunteering to be my sponsor and take on all my financial obligations for the rest of my life?

Scubatooth Nov 10, 2010 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113999)
Are you volunteering to be my sponsor and take on all my financial obligations for the rest of my life?

There are many other honorable fields and professions that dont require sexually assaulting people and trampling on the constitution that pay better then TSA. How much is your soul and conscious worth?

Boggie Dog Nov 10, 2010 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113999)
Are you volunteering to be my sponsor and take on all my financial obligations for the rest of my life?

No, I'm suggesting that you get an honest job instead of selling out as cheaply as you did to work for TSA.

JObeth66 Nov 10, 2010 12:24 pm

STSODavis, I would also like to see a response to the question of whether or not every TSO at your facility is screened every time they come to work and enter/leave the sterile area. I find it hard to believe your 'private' employee line has a WBI station, so you're saying that every TSO gets an enhanced pat-down? Are their belongings manually searched?

It might help public perception if they were screened in full view of the passengers, the way we are, using the same techniques.

BearX220 Nov 10, 2010 12:25 pm

I am begging my fellow Flyertalkers to be civil to STSODavis, who just started posting today and would be justified in quitting today, too, if this river of vitriolic one-liners keeps up. We all benefit from insight "behind the lines" at TSA but no gravitational force keeps her here. It is possible to oppose and attack TSA policies without running every TSO out of here on a rail, as has been past practice, to our joint disadvantage.

Can we please try to make this poster welcome?

Boggie Dog Nov 10, 2010 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by JObeth66 (Post 15114072)
STSODavis, I would also like to see a response to the question of whether or not every TSO at your facility is screened every time they come to work and enter/leave the sterile area. I find it hard to believe your 'private' employee line has a WBI station, so you're saying that every TSO gets an enhanced pat-down? Are their belongings manually searched?

It might help public perception if they were screened in full view of the passengers, the way we are, using the same techniques.

No matter the point of screening if there is no Porno-Vision Machine there is no Opt Out hence no Enhanced Pat Down.

N965VJ Nov 10, 2010 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 15111920)
While that is probably true, they have stopped (as did whatever system was in place before) people with guns, knives, etc from getting on the plane. Terrorists? Probably not, but nobody knows their intent with whatever they were carrying.

I believe these are in most cases normal law-abiding citizens with a concealed carry permit that had an "Oh, crap!" moment at the airport. Another thing to consider is that a TSA employee has posted that just as many LEOs are caught trying to take firearms through the checkpoint as civilians.

STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15114100)
No matter the point of screening if there is no Porno-Vision Machine there is no Opt Out hence no Enhanced Pat Down.

We don't have AIT on the employee lane.....but our employee lane is not open all day...so there is a high chance that you will have to go through a lane with AIT....and our employee lane used to be alongside regular lanes before all the airline staff complained that they didn't want to be screened in front of everyone. So when they did the reconfiguration they put if off to the side. It makes no difference where the lane is for me. Sometimes I go through the regular lane just because it's more convenient to where I am going at that particular time. Oh, and this "Enhanced Pat Down" you speak of is not only for opt-outs. This is the standard procedure now. So if I alarm because of pins in my hair, which I do sometimes depending on the style, I have to receive the pat-down the same as everyone else. I have co-workers that have knee replacements and pace-makers and they all get the pat-down everyday sometimes 10 or more times a day depending on how much they go in and out of the sterile area.


Originally Posted by BearX220 (Post 15114076)
I am begging my fellow Flyertalkers to be civil to STSODavis, who just started posting today and would be justified in quitting today, too, if this river of vitriolic one-liners keeps up. We all benefit from insight "behind the lines" at TSA but no gravitational force keeps her here. It is possible to oppose and attack TSA policies without running every TSO out of here on a rail, as has been past practice, to our joint disadvantage.

Can we please try to make this poster welcome?

Awww....aren't you so sweet. I think I'm okay. I don't take things so personal (at least not yet). I have thick skin and I find the topics here interesting. So I think I may hang around for a while.

JObeth66 Nov 10, 2010 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15114251)
We don't have AIT on the employee lane.....but our employee lane is not open all day...so there is a high chance that you will have to go through a lane with AIT....and our employee lane used to be alongside regular lanes before all the airline staff complained that they didn't want to be screened in front of everyone. So when they did the reconfiguration they put if off to the side. It makes no difference where the lane is for me. Sometimes I go through the regular lane just because it's more convenient to where I am going at that particular time. Oh, and this "Enhanced Pat Down" you speak of is not only for opt-outs. This is the standard procedure now. So if I alarm because of pins in my hair, which I do sometimes depending on the style, I have to receive the pat-down the same as everyone else. I have co-workers that have knee replacements and pace-makers and they all get the pat-down everyday sometimes 10 or more times a day depending on how much they go in and out of the sterile area.

Interesting, because other TSOs here have said that they are NOT scanned/screened every time (or at all?) because it's too invasive and would delay the flying public.


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