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GUWonder Nov 11, 2010 8:07 am


Originally Posted by RichardKenner (Post 15118793)
Aren't these machines also used by other customers than TSA? Hasn't the manufacturer already filed the information?

Some kinds of strip search machines are already in use by other entities beside the TSA.

Manufacturers having supplied information to OSHA is about as meaningful as the federal government saying things are perfectly safe even as complete, unrestricted information may indicate otherwise. Any controlled, peer-reviewed scientific studies of any of these TSA-used strip search machines that cover the impact on health of persons over 3+ decades? If you find one in reality, it will be a real discovery. Do you have confidence in DHS/TSA always maintaining whatever "recommended" settings are used upon installation and first use at a check-point? Even medical facilities don't always do a perfect job and they are far more likely to be sued and lose a lawsuit than the far more unaccountable DHS/TSA clowns.

RichardKenner Nov 11, 2010 8:08 am


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 15119019)
I think it is safe to say the following, logical fallacies included and understood: Because of the things that the TSA and DHS does to catch terrorists there are certain techniques that someone may have considered that they decided to not do because they may have gotten caught or not succeeded, and by deciding to not do something is a terrorist act "saved" or "prevented" and this may have occurred many hundreds of times, maybe thousands, no one knows, but it only takes one prevention of someone doing something they may have otherwise done to make us all more safe.

I think it's actually more complicated than that. I've said this before someplace. Security, whether it be at an airport checkpoint, that protecting a President, or that at a military post during a war is not (and cannot be) designed to protect against all possible attacks. Rather, it's designed to increase the amount of effort that a successful attack would require.

I think everybody agrees that a special-forces team would have minimal difficulty subverting the security measures, but if we've "raised the bar" so that nothing short of that would be enough, that's good enough. (Of course, we aren't there.) With this view, it means that the level to which we have to be 'secure' depends on other things, such as the extent to which we've lower the capacity of terrorist organizations.

But this also suggests that, as time goes on and we've degraded those capabilities more and more, that we should be able to lower the security at checkpoints over time. Obviously, that hasn't happened and, to me, that's peculiar and suggests that the other anti-terrorism efforts may not be as effective as we've been lead to believe.

txrus Nov 11, 2010 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 15116602)
Smart move on their part. If TSA had gotten their hands on him, what are the odds that any evidence (or perhaps even the arrest itself) would have been tainted & thrown out?

Agree-lead agents probably had visions of Fofana dancing in their heads the whole time they were enroute to JFK.


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