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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 15113412)
Unless of course you are just going to work, then you do get special treatment.
Of course it is obvious that TSO's would only do something wrong when not on the clock. :rolleyes: |
BearX...that is the best post/response I have seen in a long time. Very thoughtful and on point.
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Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.
TSA employees (I can only speak for my airport) are not entitled to special treatment and neither are many other people for that matter. We all go through the same screening as everyone else. If we alarm the walk-thru we get a pat down as well....If we choose not to go thru the AIT we get a pat down....comes with the territory. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113510)
Like I said at my airport we get screened. The only special treatment that entails is that we use the employee lane which is out of view of the general public.
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Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113510)
The only special treatment that entails is that we use the employee lane which is out of view of the general public.
Does the employee lane have and AIT? Why the special treatment? What airport do you work at? |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113479)
I said IMHO....everyone is entitled to their opinion. And that's not for all pilots....I have many friends that are pilots. But there are some that think they are entitled to something. Everyday when I go to work we have more issues with airline employees than regular passengers. So that's what brings me to think that way. We all are here to do a job, whatever that job may be. I won't make it hard to do your job if you don't make it hard for me to do mine.
No available rules to refer to. Each TSA employee making it up as they go. No effective recourse for public complaints. and the list goes on. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15112388)
And "naked images" LMAO.....I wouldn't call what we see "naked". It just an image or outline of a body. The worst we can see are love handles that are camouflaged under the clothing.
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
(Post 15113509)
Many of the TSA rules and procedures make it harder for people to do their jobs.
Well that's when you should use the methodology of an author named Stephen Covey. "Circle of Concern-aspects of an issue which you have concern about but have no control or influence, Circle of Influence- aspects of an issue in which you have direct or indirect control or influence, and YOU-what you have total control and influence over. Figure out where your issue falls Circle of Concern, Influence, or it is YOU...and then respond appropriately. Things dealing with my jobs policies and procedures fall under circle of Concern for me....So that's where it shall lie....how I respond to it is all ME...There's nothing I alone can do to change our policies and procedures....therefore I shall accept it like a big girl and just continue to do what I do professionally and in a courteous manner until I come in contact with a real jacka** who makes me stoop to their level. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15112388)
Yes I do admit that I do things at work that I don't always agree with or like to do.....same as every other person on this planet has at some point in their working life.
And I don't "grope" anyone. If a pat down is performed it is done professionally and there is no groping involved. And "naked images" LMAO.....I wouldn't call what we see "naked". It just an image or outline of a body. The worst we can see are love handles that are camouflaged under the clothing. Then in your "pat down" do you touch, grab, squeeze or press any of the following parts of the body: breast, vagina, penis, testicles, or anus? Then do you know that depending on the state you are committing the crime of sexual assault or battery depending on the state? Then beyond that do you know that TSA is really a smoke a mirrors theater act that wasters 6+ billion dollars annually for a risk that is litterally 1 in a centillion. your more likely to be killed in a car accident on the way to the airport then on a airplane in a act of terrorism. 9/11 was a one off event, Did you know that more people in the US are injured or killed each month on the highway then were killed in 9/11 and the economic damage(property damage, medical bills, lost time, lost wages, lost production, etc) from those accidents is higher then the total cost of the events of 9/11. That is each and every month, so please why should be continue to waste 6+ billion dollars a year on something that the odds of happening are so remote its not even funny and where the money TSA wastes could be diverted to projects that would actually increase safety and security in the US? |
Originally Posted by beauvoir
(Post 15113570)
If anyone believes that, please go to a search engine such as Bing, Google, or Ixquick and type in "Rolando Negrin"
I don't know this Negrin guy, but I suspect that him being made fun of was maybe an everyday occurrence. The AIT Training was probably all the taunter needed to give him more ammunition to ridicule this guy to the point where he exploded. I've seen images of my male co-workers on the AIT and it doesn't make me look at any of them any differently before. There is no knowing the size of their package. Now if there package was hanging halfway down their leg the machine may pick that up as an anomaly. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.
TSA employees (I can only speak for my airport) are not entitled to special treatment and neither are many other people for that matter. We all go through the same screening as everyone else. If we alarm the walk-thru we get a pat down as well....If we choose not to go thru the AIT we get a pat down....comes with the territory. Well since you have a tin badge you would set off the WTMD every time, so that means you would be patted down, is it the same pat down the passengers get or is a glossed over pat-down that wouldnt find anything unless it was obvious to the naked eye. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113572)
therefore I shall accept it like a big girl and just continue to do what I do professionally and in a courteous manner until I come in contact with a real jacka** who makes me stoop to their level.
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15113572)
how I respond to it is all ME
Interesting that you would look to avoid personal responsibility for the times you do not act in a courteous and professional manner. It is not acting professional to blame your actions on others. |
Originally Posted by STSODavis
(Post 15112842)
Also if you look at some of the other countries who do not use the same security procedures as the US they have had many more terrorist incidents happen.
Has Germany had terrorist incidents involving air travel? ABSOLUTELY! Did we learn from them and implement security measures in a professional manner which make sense, and have most likely deterred future incidents? ABSOLUTELY! I continue to struggle with why the US seems to want to be reactive and implement measures that may address past actions but do not in fact improve the overall security. It also seems to take quite a bit more to cause us to panic. I have written here recently about the number of UXB's discovered weekly and the bomb removal which is a 'normal' occurence in much of the country. Yet we are not running around shrieking in fear, even though those bombs have caused serious injury and deaths. Leadership and media play a very significant role in the perception of safety. |
Originally Posted by Scubatooth
(Post 15113598)
You must be a push over with no conciseness because when i encounter something that i know is wrong I will not "do as im told or follow orders(ala Nuremberg Defense) " I will protest and refuse to do so. I have gone up against managements of hospitals on issues and have fought them as I not only have a duty to myself, but to those i serve. I have yet to have any dings on my record for doing so, and after the dust has settled on a few of them have had letters of recognition as well as hospital administrators apologies for what happened.
Then in your "pat down" do you touch, grab, squeeze or press any of the following parts of the body: breast, vagina, penis, testicles, or anus? Then do you know that depending on the state you are committing the crime of sexual assault or battery depending on the state? Then beyond that do you know that TSA is really a smoke a mirrors theater act that wasters 6+ billion dollars annually for a risk that is litterally 1 in a centillion. your more likely to be killed in a car accident on the way to the airport then on a airplane in a act of terrorism. 9/11 was a one off event, Did you know that more people in the US are injured or killed each month on the highway then were killed in 9/11 and the economic damage(property damage, medical bills, lost time, lost wages, lost production, etc) from those accidents is higher then the total cost of the events of 9/11. That is each and every month, so please why should be continue to waste 6+ billion dollars a year on something that the odds of happening are so remote its not even funny and where the money TSA wastes could be diverted to projects that would actually increase safety and security in the US? And everyone saying you are more like to have this and that happen and there were more people killed by this than on 9/11 are not in the same position as some other people. Like say me for instance. I lost 3 loved ones on United flight 175...the one that hit the South Tower....and I have never lost a loved one to a car accident or had a loved one in a major car accident ever. So I guess the odds were not in my favor or theirs huh? |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 15113646)
Welcome.
I continue to struggle with why the US seems to want to be reactive and implement measures that may address past actions but do not in fact improve the overall security. It also seems to take quite a bit more to cause us to panic. I have written here recently about the number of UXB's discovered weekly and the bomb removal which is a 'normal' occurence in much of the country. Yet we are not running around shrieking in fear. |
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