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STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 10:31 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 15113135)
But I as the person being screened do consider what your doing an assault if your touching or coming into contact with my gentials.

You can justify whatever and however any way you like but that does not change how I view what your doing.

The Enhanced Pat Down is an assault.



That's fine and you are free to feel however you wish.

Boggie Dog Nov 10, 2010 10:32 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113172)
That's fine and you are free to feel however you wish.

Well at least I have your permission for free thought.

Thank you TSA!

FriendlySkies Nov 10, 2010 10:33 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15112842)
Thanks for the warm welcome. Once again I will state that there have been many instances of security incidents that happen with are not public knowledge because that information is classified. Also if you look at some of the other countries who do not use the same security procedures as the US they have had many more terrorist incidents happen.

When was the last time Australia, England, Russia, Japan, etc had a plane blown out of the sky???


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113172)
That's fine and you are free to feel however you wish.

So if you don't believe this, then why are multiple Pilots and FA associations speaking out about this gross violation of privacy?

LoganTSO Nov 10, 2010 10:42 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15113193)
When was the last time Australia, England, Russia, Japan, etc had a plane blown out of the sky???

Russia had 2 in 2004 on the same day, minutes apart blown out of the sky by female Chechen suicide bombers.

JoeBas Nov 10, 2010 10:44 am


Originally Posted by LoganTSO (Post 15113260)
Russia had 2 in 2004 on the same day, minutes apart blown out of the sky by female Chechen suicide bombers.

And somehow, their entire society didn't break down into a quivering, blubbering mass of fear.

Amazing.

ND Sol Nov 10, 2010 10:48 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15112142)
But there has been many incidents that go on which is not public knowledge for fear or creating mass hysteria. There has been incidents of surveillance which has been caught, incidents of test runs, which have been caught, IED components, which have been caught....all by TSA in conjunction other government entities. This will not be publicized because it will cause hysteria amongst the general public.

How many of these incidents have led to arrests and convictions? Unless we have a Star Chamber in the US, the answer would be zero.

These incidents are worthless unless they can be proved. And to date, none have in the United States. Imagine what the American public would do to the TSA if it found out that it didn't disclose verifiable incidents and another terrorist attack resulted?

BearX220 Nov 10, 2010 10:48 am


Originally Posted by LoganTSO (Post 15113260)
Russia had 2 in 2004 on the same day, minutes apart blown out of the sky by female Chechen suicide bombers.

Which as I recall cued a long spate of TSO interest in the breasts of American airline passengers, with no commensurate improvement in security.

How can the Russians have prevented a repeat episode without resorting to TSA tactics? What do they know that we don't?

STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 10:57 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15113193)
When was the last time Australia, England, Russia, Japan, etc had a plane blown out of the sky???



So if you don't believe this, then why are multiple Pilots and FA associations speaking out about this gross violation of privacy?

IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.

TSA employees (I can only speak for my airport) are not entitled to special treatment and neither are many other people for that matter. We all go through the same screening as everyone else. If we alarm the walk-thru we get a pat down as well....If we choose not to go thru the AIT we get a pat down....comes with the territory.

IslandBased Nov 10, 2010 11:00 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.

Of course if they fly GA based planes they are not subject to this "security". :rolleyes:

Tom M. Nov 10, 2010 11:00 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.

TSA employees (I can only speak for my airport) are not entitled to special treatment and neither are many other people for that matter. We all go through the same screening as everyone else. If we alarm the walk-thru we get a pat down as well....If we choose not to go thru the AIT we get a pat down....comes with the territory.

Unless of course you are just going to work, then you do get special treatment.

Of course it is obvious that TSO's would only do something wrong when not on the clock. :rolleyes:

BearX220 Nov 10, 2010 11:01 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.

Well, one of the things we laymen wonder about is why flight deck crews are treated at the checkpoint like potential hijackers when they are the ones who are actually going to fly the plane.

MikeMpls Nov 10, 2010 11:03 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113386)
IMHO...because they are [pilots] some whining cry-babies that think they are entitled to special treatment.

Your credibility just went down to zero.

goalie Nov 10, 2010 11:05 am


TSA has never caught a single terrorist?
Nope ;): http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...17-2008-a.html

And nope again ;): http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-1-2010-a.html

And to STSODavis Welcome to Flyertalk ^. Please don't take what we say here personally as we're a passionate bunch (to say the least ;)) and, (at least speaking for myself and perhaps a few others :)) shall we say, "don't like your employer" ;) but not the employees who work there as those that have chosen to join the Flyertalk family ^ have shared some very good information with us. We may not agree with the information but at least for me, it has been very very valuable (and I have even met a few TSO's in my travels and added them to my tootsie-pop list ;))

STSODavis Nov 10, 2010 11:08 am


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 15113432)
Your credibility just went down to zero.

I said IMHO....everyone is entitled to their opinion. And that's not for all pilots....I have many friends that are pilots. But there are some that think they are entitled to something. Everyday when I go to work we have more issues with airline employees than regular passengers. So that's what brings me to think that way. We all are here to do a job, whatever that job may be. I won't make it hard to do your job if you don't make it hard for me to do mine.

Tom M. Nov 10, 2010 11:11 am


Originally Posted by STSODavis (Post 15113479)
I won't make it hard to do your job if you don't make it hard for me to do mine.

Many of the TSA rules and procedures make it harder for people to do their jobs.


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