Question: Filing Charges?
Nov 5, 2010 | 4:10 pm
#91
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To me, it's clear from the context that "problem" meant "the thing that was detected that triggered the pat-down". He was claiming that once it was determined what that was (or that there was no way to determine what it was) that the pat-down would terminate.
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Nov 5, 2010 | 4:19 pm
#92
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SATTSO, TSORon, eyecue, TSA1Dude or any other TSA employee; the link I am posting includes a first person interview of a person TSA screened.
After listening to the interview tell us if you think the person is being dishonest.
http://www.infowars.com/tsa-fondles-...body-scanners/
After listening to the interview tell us if you think the person is being dishonest.
http://www.infowars.com/tsa-fondles-...body-scanners/
Nov 5, 2010 | 4:34 pm
#93
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[QUOTE=Boggie Dog;15081193]Let say the media does have the pat down controversy blown out of proportion. I agree that is a possibility.
SATTSO, TSORon, eyecue, TSA1Dude or any other TSA employee; the link I am posting includes a first person interview of a person TSA screened.
After listening to the interview tell us if you think the person is being dishonest.
Google Alex Jones and add the word "hoax"
SATTSO, TSORon, eyecue, TSA1Dude or any other TSA employee; the link I am posting includes a first person interview of a person TSA screened.
After listening to the interview tell us if you think the person is being dishonest.
Google Alex Jones and add the word "hoax"
Nov 5, 2010 | 7:33 pm
#94
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I may have missed it, but has anyone seen any of our lovely TSO members answer the question, which has been posted multiple times in this thread alone and several times in most of the other WBI-related threads, about whether a passenger receiving the Alarm Resolution is forced into a private room by TSA? If so, how does TSA justify this violation, since they do not have the power to detain anyone?
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
Nov 5, 2010 | 7:43 pm
#95
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In order to complete the resolution pat down IT HAS TO BE DONE in private. If the passenger declines to move to private screening then the process cannot be completed and the passenger cannot enter the boarding area.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
I am not being a smart aleck. I really, really want to avoid it. If I can know what will set it off, I can proactively avoid it. Help us out here. This is serious.
Do the best you can.
It is very unfair to ask passengers to be ready to submit to a procedure for which they have no idea what they submitting. Especially one that seems to be so bad that we have to hide to do it.
Final question, also serious. Do I get a witness and can they photograph? If no, then why not? It is my pat down and I should be able to give permission.
Nov 5, 2010 | 7:52 pm
#96
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There were other documents -- I think it was the TSA workplace violence program (another one the IG nailed the TSA for never establishing) -- which expanded penalties and administrative/criminal punishments to TSA screener interactions with passengers and other members of the public.
The sexual harassment scope of a similar nature is found in the OPM directives. If I dig hard enough, I can find the policy and a training briefing or two. The bottom line is that an act of sexual harassment performed by a screener against a member of the public is just as bad as a screener commiting an act of sexual harassment against another screener.
I gotta' ask: You (personally and your screener coworkers) have had this training, right??? (both initial and annual refreshers)
The sexual harassment scope of a similar nature is found in the OPM directives. If I dig hard enough, I can find the policy and a training briefing or two. The bottom line is that an act of sexual harassment performed by a screener against a member of the public is just as bad as a screener commiting an act of sexual harassment against another screener.
I gotta' ask: You (personally and your screener coworkers) have had this training, right??? (both initial and annual refreshers)
Nov 5, 2010 | 8:14 pm
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TSORon said in post #100:
Well TSORon if there is not enough room in a persons body for a weapon then just why does TSA worry about my size 9 shoes?
The person interviewed was not an observer.
They reported a first person occurrence.
What is done during this "Resolution Pat Down" that TSA is afraid of the public seeing?
Whats to stop putting things inside of bodies, either cavities or otherwise? In part, there is not enough space in any particular body cavity to put all the components necessary and the amount of explosive necessary to cause catastrophic damage to an aircraft. And in any case, the body itself will absorb a great deal of the energy released by any device small enough to pack in there. As for surgically implanted devices, science fiction.
They reported a first person occurrence.
In order to complete the resolution pat down IT HAS TO BE DONE in private. If the passenger declines to move to private screening then the process cannot be completed and the passenger cannot enter the boarding area.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
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Nov 5, 2010 | 9:13 pm
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Nov 5, 2010 | 9:18 pm
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Fully cooperating and submitting to the search, just not in a hidden location.
Nothing TSA does to a citizen should have to be done in out of public sight.
Nov 5, 2010 | 9:58 pm
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Whats to stop putting things inside of bodies, either cavities or otherwise? In part, there is not enough space in any particular body cavity to put all the components necessary and the amount of explosive necessary to cause catastrophic damage to an aircraft. And in any case, the body itself will absorb a great deal of the energy released by any device small enough to pack in there. As for surgically implanted devices, science fiction.
are you sure about your assumption? the volume that can be stored in the GI track is considerable.The stomach of the average adult can hold 2 liters of fluid. The large intestine in a adult has enough room to store over 2 ft3 of material. If you took any AnP courses you would know that.
This incident was on the ground but in a pressurized capsule the outcome would be different.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5347847.shtml
as for your last sentence, you are the one that needs to lay off the sci-fi movies. A little google search would go along way so you dont insert your toes/foot/ankle/shin/knee/ thigh in your mouth with a healthy dose of crow.
Nov 5, 2010 | 10:55 pm
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If passing through the TSA checkpoint is causing you grief then how much grief do you feel when you get stopped by the police? As for human rights, well lets just say that the vast majority of the folks posting to venues like this have a very tenuous grasp of what those rights are. For many it seems to be whatever I think they are, and they are comfortable with that. At least until it is explained to them how wrong they are.
I don't mean to attack you, but your attitude is condescending and somewhat disturbing.
Nov 5, 2010 | 11:21 pm
#103
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I still keep in touch and still get invited to various events. A demonstration can be arranged.
EDIT: Just did some math using good ole high school geometry. Took the volume of an object of a known size and figured out the internal volume could hold 55 fluid ounces. For one gal, this was her "warm up" for the production.
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Nov 5, 2010 | 11:24 pm
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Suppose...
...you demand a LEO and when the LEO appears point to the TSA agent who did the groping and say "I am making a citizens arrest of this person".
Nov 5, 2010 | 11:52 pm
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In order to complete the resolution pat down IT HAS TO BE DONE in private. If the passenger declines to move to private screening then the process cannot be completed and the passenger cannot enter the boarding area.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
That being said, the APA just recommended that all pilots say they want private screening in all instances involving their people.
This gets more disgusting every time they open their mouths.