Question: Filing Charges?
Nov 2, 2010 | 6:35 pm
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Question: Filing Charges?
I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:09 pm
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I also plan on utilizing this:
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-l...n-search-abuse
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:20 pm
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Good for you Hed and welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new myself but the issues we are fighting for are the basis for the continued freedom of Americans and will hopefully set a precedence for other countries in the world that repeatedly crush the civil liberties of law abiding Americans.
We are a determined bunch and we will not give in to pressure. Opt out always, be vocal, do not be embarassed by your willingness to stand up for yourself and what you believe in.
We are a determined bunch and we will not give in to pressure. Opt out always, be vocal, do not be embarassed by your willingness to stand up for yourself and what you believe in.
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:32 pm
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I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
However, let say "cause" is established to give you the mire invasive pat-down, well good luck fighting that - read carefully what I say, if there is cause, then good luck to you.
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:39 pm
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I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.
Thanks for your help.
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:49 pm
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Well, let's look at the California law on sexual battery. Are the elements all there? Might be a longshot.
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/243.4.html
243.4 PC (a) Any person who touches an intimate part of another
person while that person is unlawfully restrained by the accused or
an accomplice, and if the touching is against the will of the person
touched and is for the purpose of sexual arousal, sexual
gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of sexual battery. A
violation of this subdivision is punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail for not more than one year, and by a fine not exceeding
two thousand dollars ($2,000); or by imprisonment in the state prison
for two, three, or four years, and by a fine not exceeding ten
thousand dollars ($10,000).
person while that person is unlawfully restrained by the accused or
an accomplice, and if the touching is against the will of the person
touched and is for the purpose of sexual arousal, sexual
gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of sexual battery. A
violation of this subdivision is punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail for not more than one year, and by a fine not exceeding
two thousand dollars ($2,000); or by imprisonment in the state prison
for two, three, or four years, and by a fine not exceeding ten
thousand dollars ($10,000).
Nov 2, 2010 | 8:54 pm
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Nov 2, 2010 | 9:02 pm
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Nov 2, 2010 | 9:20 pm
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How do we know they are doing their duty, and not going rogue on a power trip to punish opt-outers? Please share with us the written protocols that define what should happen so we know when we've been legally molested vs illegally molested.......
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Nov 2, 2010 | 9:55 pm
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The more invasive alarm resolution frisk can be triggered by legitimate trace explosives. Military EOD personnel come to mind. Thankfully, you're not a lead or supervisor, so you won't be stroking people's penises for the alarm resolution pat-down. You are paid to serve the public, and enjoy taunting the very public that puts food on your table.
Aren't you a former cop? Maybe you weren't paying attention when the limits of qualified immunity were covered. Bivens actions can be brought for constitutional torts.
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Nov 5, 2010 at 11:19 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
Nov 2, 2010 | 10:19 pm
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Nov 2, 2010 | 10:24 pm
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What kind of person, aside from qualified medical personnel, would WANT a job where part of their duties are to grope the genitals of strangers?
Nov 2, 2010 | 10:29 pm
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I know it has been brain washed into the psych of TSC's to convince them to do dirty and illegal things, that they can not be prosecuted or held accountable as long as they are "following SOP" but I can't wait for just 1 of them to go to jail for "following SOP" because at that point all the other TSC's will refuse to do the dirty and illegal things for fear of going to jail, and maybe just maybe we'll get a few of our constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties back