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Hedwigkin Nov 2, 2010 6:35 pm

Question: Filing Charges?
 
I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?

Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.

Thanks for your help.

username_unknown Nov 2, 2010 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by Hedwigkin (Post 15063418)
"I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts"

At that point you will probably get the infamous "do you want to fly today"

Hedwigkin Nov 2, 2010 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by username_unknown (Post 15063627)
At that point you will probably get the infamous "do you want to fly today"

I'm okay with that. I generally try to fly out the day before meetings and allow plenty of time at the airport. What I need to work on is saying the bare minimum to both the TSOs and LEOs.

I also plan on utilizing this:
http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-l...n-search-abuse

TXagogo Nov 2, 2010 8:20 pm

Good for you Hed and welcome to the forum. I'm pretty new myself but the issues we are fighting for are the basis for the continued freedom of Americans and will hopefully set a precedence for other countries in the world that repeatedly crush the civil liberties of law abiding Americans.

We are a determined bunch and we will not give in to pressure. Opt out always, be vocal, do not be embarassed by your willingness to stand up for yourself and what you believe in.

SATTSO Nov 2, 2010 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by Hedwigkin (Post 15063418)
I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?

Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.

Thanks for your help.

Sadly, you have bought into the fear spread around this web site. The pat-down you will receive will use back of the gand on your sensitive areas, front if the hand on your legs, back, arms, etc. So you will my have a chance to protest.

However, let say "cause" is established to give you the mire invasive pat-down, well good luck fighting that - read carefully what I say, if there is cause, then good luck to you. ;)

eyecue Nov 2, 2010 8:39 pm


Originally Posted by Hedwigkin (Post 15063418)
I have a question for the more educated of the FlyerTalk community. The next time I fly, I will consent to the metal detector, a swab, and a back of the hand pat down. However, I will not consent to an open hand "grope" and, if pressed, will ask for the GSC (or a CO employee) and LEO to be present due to the following phrase I intend to use: "I do not consent to the unreasonable search of my private parts, and if these are touched without my permission, I will file sexual assault charges". So my question is: Has this been attempted? If so, could you provide a link? If not, will it carry any water?

Additionally, I'd like to thank the TS/S community in helping formulate the letter I am composing for the following recipients: Senators, Congressman, US AG, TX AG, UAL Execs, DHS Admins, TSA Admins, ACLU, and Major News Outlets.

Thanks for your help.

You cannot file charges because you want to. There are elements of a crime that are not present when you are subjected to a security patdown.

harpodamann Nov 2, 2010 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15064084)
You cannot file charges because you want to. There are elements of a crime that are not present when you are subjected to a security patdown.

You Do Not know what the HELL you are talking about.

tom911 Nov 2, 2010 8:49 pm

Well, let's look at the California law on sexual battery. Are the elements all there? Might be a longshot.


243.4 PC (a) Any person who touches an intimate part of another
person while that person is unlawfully restrained by the accused or
an accomplice, and if the touching is against the will of the person
touched and is for the purpose of sexual arousal, sexual
gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of sexual battery. A
violation of this subdivision is punishable by imprisonment in a
county jail for not more than one year, and by a fine not exceeding
two thousand dollars ($2,000); or by imprisonment in the state prison
for two, three, or four years, and by a fine not exceeding ten
thousand dollars ($10,000).
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/243.4.html

Boggie Dog Nov 2, 2010 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15064084)
You cannot file charges because you want to. There are elements of a crime that are not present when you are subjected to a security patdown.

Is that qualified legal advice eyecue?

eyecue Nov 2, 2010 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by harpodamann (Post 15064109)
You Do Not know what the HELL you are talking about.

Yeah I do!

It is exremely difficult to prosecute or SUE any of TSA officials that are performing their assigned duty.

wutdhec Nov 2, 2010 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15064238)
It is exremely difficult to prosecute or SUE any of TSA officials that are performing their assigned duty.

How do we know they are doing their duty, and not going rogue on a power trip to punish opt-outers? Please share with us the written protocols that define what should happen so we know when we've been legally molested vs illegally molested.......

planedude86 Nov 2, 2010 9:55 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 15064037)
However, let say "cause" is established to give you the mire invasive pat-down, well good luck fighting that - read carefully what I say, if there is cause, then good luck to you. ;)

Why are your replies so unhelpful, subtextually saying "I know something you don't know!"

The more invasive alarm resolution frisk can be triggered by legitimate trace explosives. Military EOD personnel come to mind. Thankfully, you're not a lead or supervisor, so you won't be stroking people's penises for the alarm resolution pat-down. You are paid to serve the public, and enjoy taunting the very public that puts food on your table.


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15064238)
It is exremely difficult to prosecute or SUE any of TSA officials that are performing their assigned duty.

Aren't you a former cop? Maybe you weren't paying attention when the limits of qualified immunity were covered. Bivens actions can be brought for constitutional torts.

username_unknown Nov 2, 2010 10:19 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 15064084)
You cannot file charges because you want to.

I don't even know what to say.


There are elements of a crime that are not present when you are subjected to a security patdown.
When did you graduate law school?

youreadyfreddie Nov 2, 2010 10:24 pm

What kind of person, aside from qualified medical personnel, would WANT a job where part of their duties are to grope the genitals of strangers?

username_unknown Nov 2, 2010 10:29 pm

I know it has been brain washed into the psych of TSC's to convince them to do dirty and illegal things, that they can not be prosecuted or held accountable as long as they are "following SOP" but I can't wait for just 1 of them to go to jail for "following SOP" because at that point all the other TSC's will refuse to do the dirty and illegal things for fear of going to jail, and maybe just maybe we'll get a few of our constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties back


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