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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 3:16 pm
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I flew out of MSP on Monday afternoon and thought the checkpoint was rather subdued.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by AngryMiller
I flew out of MSP on Monday afternoon and thought the checkpoint was rather subdued.
Subdued as in medicated or dejected?
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 3:34 pm
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Subdued as in medicated or dejected?
Dejected. Sort of like when a dept head pulls everyone in and screams at them for a couple hours.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by avsfan733
isn't this really the wrong thread? shouldn't the question be "Any noticeable checkpoint differences when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"
Ahh, but TSA already has an answer for this. Consider their official statement:

Originally Posted by tsa.gov
This version of the document was not the everyday screening manual used by Transportation Security Officers at airport checkpoints. As TSA is constantly adapting to address evolving threats, there have been six newer versions of the procedures since the version posted was approved.
So, if you confront a TSO with this document when they don't follow it, the answer could likely be "this document isn't the current SOP, and I'm following the current SOP --- which I'm not allowed to show you because it's SSI, so you'll have to trust me".

We know that the SOP is SSI. It's reasonable to conclude that the SOP has changed somewhat since this document was produced. So, that leaves us exactly where we were before ... TSOs following procedures which aren't available to the public, with therefore no public accountability for following those procedures correctly.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by AngryMiller
Dejected. Sort of like when a dept head pulls everyone in and screams at them for a couple hours.
I wouldn't know how that feels, being self-employed. Perhaps this was over something else on Monday- a bit early for a chew out about the leak. Maybe they had just failed another test or something...
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 4:11 pm
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Nope

Nothing to report. It was slow day too
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 4:55 pm
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Ahh, but TSA already has an answer for this. Consider their official statement:
You know, I gave that some thought actually as I was reading the earlier part of the thread. I cam to the conclusion that I highly doubt that the most TSO's would be aware enough of this happening, AND of the TSA response to give me that line. I am more interested in just the gut kneejerk reaction that would take place when you whipped out a copy. I am not brave enough to test Tom's idea of just putting a copy in the bin through the Xray.


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We know that the SOP is SSI. It's reasonable to conclude that the SOP has changed somewhat since this document was produced. So, that leaves us exactly where we were before ... TSOs following procedures which aren't available to the public, with therefore no public accountability for following those procedures correctly.
They Can't even follow their published procedures you seriously think having the rules published would have any impact?
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by avsfan733
They Can't even follow their published procedures you seriously think having the rules published would have any impact?
In some cases, yes. It would certainly deflate some of the puffery that goes on occasionally (as oft reported here and elsewhere) when a TSO says "I know the rules, you're wrong", even if the TSO is in fact demonstrably wrong. Granted, that's about one step too late in the process. But, over time, it might have an impact.

Of course, I'm known around my workplace as the eternal optimist ...
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Old Dec 10, 2009 | 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
Originally Posted by avsfan733
when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"
Actually an interesting point.

I wonder what would happen if you through a copy in a bin as you went through security?
FTers like to travel light, so why lug that 93 page manual around.

How about a Trollkiller designed t-shirt with this big image on the front?

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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 6:06 am
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
In some cases, yes. It would certainly deflate some of the puffery that goes on occasionally (as oft reported here and elsewhere) when a TSO says "I know the rules, you're wrong", even if the TSO is in fact demonstrably wrong. Granted, that's about one step too late in the process. But, over time, it might have an impact.

Of course, I'm known around my workplace as the eternal optimist ...
I wonder what would happen if a passenger encountered this, whipped out the document on dead tree, and told the TSO to "show me where"?

I suspect the reaction would be doubleplusungood.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by N965VJ
FTers like to travel light, so why lug that 93 page manual around.

How about a Trollkiller designed t-shirt with this big image on the front?

Print it 2-sided with two pages per side and it's not so big. It's also still legible.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by n4zhg
I wonder what would happen if a passenger encountered this, whipped out the document on dead tree, and told the TSO to "show me where"?
I suspect the reaction would be doubleplusungood.
Sadly, the first pax who tries it will be standing in front of a TSO who thinks he has found the bling award worthy Big Catch of the Year.

[screaming ] "LEO!!!! Over here, NOW!!!! I found The Guy who hacked that there government web site and stole our SOP!!!! [/screaming ]
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
Sadly, the first pax who tries it will be standing in front of a TSO who thinks he has found the bling award worthy Big Catch of the Year.

[screaming ] "LEO!!!! Over here, NOW!!!! I found The Guy who hacked that there government web site and stole our SOP!!!! [/screaming ]
The TSO that pulls a stunt like that, his next uniform will either be a barrel or an orange prison jumpsuit.

The LEO that helps with the stunt is going to be undercover at gay bath houses until retirement. Wearing a barrel with the bunghole over his butt.
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