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FliesWay2Much Dec 9, 2009 10:19 am

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Curious if anyone who has flown since the now-famous SOP incident has noticed anything different at TSA checkpoints?

Procedures? Screener demeanor or attitude?

Did anyone comment on the SOP to a screener?

Did anyone carry a copy with them?

It's a brave new world...

ElPasoPilot Dec 9, 2009 10:26 am

Well, it appears that TSO internet posting on this site as of today has slowed to a crawl.

Did you guys get spoken to this morning, or is it just an off day?

SATTSO Dec 9, 2009 10:29 am


Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12954972)
Well, it appears that TSO internet posting on this site as of today has slowed to a crawl.

Did you guys get spoken to this morning, or is it just an off day?

Nope, not spoken to.

Not really worried about this "leak", doesn't really reveal anything. Sorry, just sort of find this topic boring. I don't post on all topics, just the ones that interest me.

Superguy Dec 9, 2009 10:47 am

I flew Saturday. The leak was last week. I didn't notice anything different.

Tom M. Dec 9, 2009 10:54 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12954997)
.... Sorry, just sort of find this topic boring. I don't post on all topics, just the ones that interest me.


By my count, you have 34 post in the "SOP Discussion" thread.

I guess that thread wasn't boring...:D

themicah Dec 9, 2009 10:56 am

Given that the parts they tried to redact related mainly to procedures involving CIA agents and other stuff that has no real impact on everyday travelers, I don't think too many people around here are going to notice any changes even if TSA implements some.

tom911 Dec 9, 2009 11:06 am

I flew from SFO at 11pm last night and seemed to be business as usual there.

Tom on board an AA flight between JFK and SFO

SATTSO Dec 9, 2009 11:11 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955153)
By my count, you have 34 post in the "SOP Discussion" thread.

I guess that thread wasn't boring...:D

Yeah, I tried to tell people that this sop wasn't really important, out dated, no "our" sop. Then I gave up. Let people have their fun.

gsoltso Dec 9, 2009 11:36 am

The biggest change is the new uniform, we will all be wearing fuzzy pink bedroom slippers, lederhosen, a "hawaiian flowerdy shirt" and a cowboy hat to work from now on.

ND Sol Dec 9, 2009 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 12955114)
I flew Saturday. The leak was last week. I didn't notice anything different.

The document was out there for some time on the Internet, but the determination (which was done on this forum) that the redacted portions could be read didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. And it was only after that did the TSA realize the problem they had.

jkhuggins Dec 9, 2009 11:43 am


Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 12955431)
The biggest change is the new uniform, we will all be wearing fuzzy pink bedroom slippers, lederhosen, a "hawaiian flowerdy shirt" and a cowboy hat to work from now on.

The most important question, of course ... will you have to put your slippers through the X-ray when you come to work? And will they have to go on the belt, or can you put them in a bin? :)


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955438)
The document was out there for some time on the Internet, but the determination (which was done on this forum) that the redacted portions could be read didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. And it was only after that did the TSA realize the problem they had.

Correction: the public determination didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. We have no idea how many Evil Terrorists(TM) might've figured out that the redacted portions were readable, but didn't publicize their findings.

ND Sol Dec 9, 2009 11:44 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12954997)
Nope, not spoken to.

Not really worried about this "leak", doesn't really reveal anything. Sorry, just sort of find this topic boring. I don't post on all topics, just the ones that interest me.

And perhaps that is the real story. If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

The TSA says that the released SOP was never implemented, but yet (1) you say that it was (just an older version), (2) the RFP was therefore based on a policy not in effect and (3) this version is the same as the one released under FOIA to www.papersplease.org and which the TSA stated was in effect.

Sometimes the cover-up is worse than the crime (so to speak).

jkhuggins Dec 9, 2009 11:46 am


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955465)
And perhaps that is the real story. If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

And furthermore, if it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the document taken down, and as AP is reporting, why are TSA employees being placed on administrative leave?

ND Sol Dec 9, 2009 11:48 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12955464)
Correction: the public determination didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. We have no idea how many Evil Terrorists(TM) might've figured out that the redacted portions were readable, but didn't publicize their findings.

I stand corrected. :D

Shouldn't we receive a medal for making this security breach known to the TSA? After all, I am sure that a TSO that did something similar would have. :rolleyes:

SATTSO Dec 9, 2009 11:50 am


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955465)
And perhaps that is the real story. If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

The TSA says that the released SOP was never implemented, but yet (1) you say that it was (just an older version), (2) the RFP was therefore based on a policy not in effect and (3) this version is the same as the one released under FOIA to www.papersplease.org and which the TSA stated was in effect.

Sometimes the cover-up is worse than the crime (so to speak).

Like I said, no one is really listening to what I have said. This is management SOP....


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