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AngryMiller Dec 9, 2009 3:16 pm

I flew out of MSP on Monday afternoon and thought the checkpoint was rather subdued.

IslandBased Dec 9, 2009 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12956809)
I flew out of MSP on Monday afternoon and thought the checkpoint was rather subdued.

Subdued as in medicated or dejected? ;)

AngryMiller Dec 9, 2009 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12956894)
Subdued as in medicated or dejected? ;)

Dejected. Sort of like when a dept head pulls everyone in and screams at them for a couple hours.

jkhuggins Dec 9, 2009 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12956295)
isn't this really the wrong thread? shouldn't the question be "Any noticeable checkpoint differences when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"

Ahh, but TSA already has an answer for this. Consider their official statement:


Originally Posted by tsa.gov
This version of the document was not the everyday screening manual used by Transportation Security Officers at airport checkpoints. As TSA is constantly adapting to address evolving threats, there have been six newer versions of the procedures since the version posted was approved.

So, if you confront a TSO with this document when they don't follow it, the answer could likely be "this document isn't the current SOP, and I'm following the current SOP --- which I'm not allowed to show you because it's SSI, so you'll have to trust me".

We know that the SOP is SSI. It's reasonable to conclude that the SOP has changed somewhat since this document was produced. So, that leaves us exactly where we were before ... TSOs following procedures which aren't available to the public, with therefore no public accountability for following those procedures correctly.

IslandBased Dec 9, 2009 3:47 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12956919)
Dejected. Sort of like when a dept head pulls everyone in and screams at them for a couple hours.

I wouldn't know how that feels, being self-employed. Perhaps this was over something else on Monday- a bit early for a chew out about the leak. Maybe they had just failed another test or something...

eyecue Dec 9, 2009 4:11 pm

Nope
 
Nothing to report. It was slow day too

avsfan733 Dec 9, 2009 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12956927)
Ahh, but TSA already has an answer for this. Consider their official statement:

You know, I gave that some thought actually as I was reading the earlier part of the thread. I cam to the conclusion that I highly doubt that the most TSO's would be aware enough of this happening, AND of the TSA response to give me that line. I am more interested in just the gut kneejerk reaction that would take place when you whipped out a copy. I am not brave enough to test Tom's idea of just putting a copy in the bin through the Xray.



Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12956927)
We know that the SOP is SSI. It's reasonable to conclude that the SOP has changed somewhat since this document was produced. So, that leaves us exactly where we were before ... TSOs following procedures which aren't available to the public, with therefore no public accountability for following those procedures correctly.

They Can't even follow their published procedures :D you seriously think having the rules published would have any impact?

jkhuggins Dec 9, 2009 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12957421)
They Can't even follow their published procedures :D you seriously think having the rules published would have any impact?

In some cases, yes. It would certainly deflate some of the puffery that goes on occasionally (as oft reported here and elsewhere) when a TSO says "I know the rules, you're wrong", even if the TSO is in fact demonstrably wrong. Granted, that's about one step too late in the process. But, over time, it might have an impact.

Of course, I'm known around my workplace as the eternal optimist ... :)

N965VJ Dec 10, 2009 10:14 am


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12956356)

Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12956295)
when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"

Actually an interesting point.

I wonder what would happen if you through a copy in a bin as you went through security?

FTers like to travel light, so why lug that 93 page manual around.

How about a Trollkiller designed t-shirt with this big image on the front? :D

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...f873hf874r.jpg

n4zhg Dec 11, 2009 6:06 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12958551)
In some cases, yes. It would certainly deflate some of the puffery that goes on occasionally (as oft reported here and elsewhere) when a TSO says "I know the rules, you're wrong", even if the TSO is in fact demonstrably wrong. Granted, that's about one step too late in the process. But, over time, it might have an impact.

Of course, I'm known around my workplace as the eternal optimist ... :)

I wonder what would happen if a passenger encountered this, whipped out the document on dead tree, and told the TSO to "show me where"?

I suspect the reaction would be doubleplusungood.

FliesWay2Much Dec 11, 2009 7:10 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 12961608)
FTers like to travel light, so why lug that 93 page manual around.

How about a Trollkiller designed t-shirt with this big image on the front? :D

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...f873hf874r.jpg

Print it 2-sided with two pages per side and it's not so big. It's also still legible.

Flaflyer Dec 11, 2009 8:27 am


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 12966347)
I wonder what would happen if a passenger encountered this, whipped out the document on dead tree, and told the TSO to "show me where"?
I suspect the reaction would be doubleplusungood.

Sadly, the first pax who tries it will be standing in front of a TSO who thinks he has found the bling award worthy Big Catch™ of the Year.

[screaming :eek:] "LEO!!!! Over here, NOW!!!! I found The Guy who hacked that there government web site and stole our SOP!!!! [/screaming :eek:]

n4zhg Dec 11, 2009 8:41 pm


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 12966924)
Sadly, the first pax who tries it will be standing in front of a TSO who thinks he has found the bling award worthy Big Catch™ of the Year.

[screaming :eek:] "LEO!!!! Over here, NOW!!!! I found The Guy who hacked that there government web site and stole our SOP!!!! [/screaming :eek:]

The TSO that pulls a stunt like that, his next uniform will either be a barrel or an orange prison jumpsuit.

The LEO that helps with the stunt is going to be undercover at gay bath houses until retirement. Wearing a barrel with the bunghole over his butt.


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