Originally Posted by ElPasoPilot (Post 12954972)

Well, it appears that TSO internet posting on this site as of today has slowed to a crawl.

Did you guys get spoken to this morning, or is it just an off day?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12954997)

.... Sorry, just sort of find this topic boring. I don't post on all topics, just the ones that interest me.

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955153)

By my count, you have 34 post in the "SOP Discussion" thread.

I guess that thread wasn't boring...:D

Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 12955114)

I flew Saturday. The leak was last week. I didn't notice anything different.

Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 12955431)

The biggest change is the new uniform, we will all be wearing fuzzy pink bedroom slippers, lederhosen, a "hawaiian flowerdy shirt" and a cowboy hat to work from now on.

Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955438)

The document was out there for some time on the Internet, but the determination (which was done on this forum) that the redacted portions could be read didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. And it was only after that did the TSA realize the problem they had.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12954997)

Nope, not spoken to.

Not really worried about this "leak", doesn't really reveal anything. Sorry, just sort of find this topic boring. I don't post on all topics, just the ones that interest me.

Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955465)

And perhaps that is the real story. If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12955464)

Correction: the public determination didn't occur until Sunday afternoon. We have no idea how many Evil Terrorists(TM) might've figured out that the redacted portions were readable, but didn't publicize their findings.

Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955465)

And perhaps that is the real story. If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

The TSA says that the released SOP was never implemented, but yet (1) you say that it was (just an older version), (2) the RFP was therefore based on a policy not in effect and (3) this version is the same as the one released under FOIA to www.papersplease.org and which the TSA stated was in effect.

Sometimes the cover-up is worse than the crime (so to speak).

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12955269)

Yeah, I tried to tell people that this sop wasn't really important, out dated, no "our" sop. Then I gave up. Let people have their fun.

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955587)

So if it wasn't "really important" why have people been suspended?

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955587)

So if it wasn't "really important" why have people been suspended?

Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12955684)

Falsifying their computer skills on their resume, perhaps? ;)

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12955602)

You assume what is important to me to do my job and keep what info I need to remain SSI is the same as every other TSA employee??

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955790)

So you job description and duties are different than "every other TSA"

SATTSO--- the "Lone Ranger of TSO's" :D

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12955828)

Have you not read anything I've said?

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12955828)

Have you not read anything I've said?

And, uh, no, I am a TSO, so whY I have said is true.

Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 12955465)

If it doesn't reveal anything, then why was the info SSI?

Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 12955596)

The major difference is that real classified information has a real Executive Order (EO 12958) which describes what to classify, what NOT to classify, WHO can classify, when to conduct a mandatory downgrade/declassification review, top-level guidelines for CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and TOP SECRET information, and penalties for screwing up. The penalties cover infractions not limited to unauthorized disclosure. Penalties are also inplace for overclassifying something, not conducting mandatory reviews, and deliberately classifying something to prevent embarassment to one's agency or to keep unclassified information from Congress or the public. All of this stuff pertains to collateral classified information. Compartmented and Special Access programs have their own additional EOs and agency regulations.

LES/FOUO/SBU/SSI have none of these guidelines or restrictions. There are no criteria for creating this type of information, no paragraph marking requirements, no derivative document, no downgrading instructions, etc. If this stuff is truly sensitive beyond a precinct and is determined to cause damage to national security if disclosed, for Pete's sake, classify it the right way.

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12955861)

Yes, have you?

Originally Posted by u2beez (Post 12955842)

I ignore you actually, because if you didn'tpost so much i wouldn't believe you worked for the TSA, but since you are on here every second of every day, I do believe you.

Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12955957)

You assume what is important to me to do my job .... is the same as every other TSA employee??

Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12956295)

... when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"

Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12956809)

I flew out of MSP on Monday afternoon and thought the checkpoint was rather subdued.

Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 12956894)

Subdued as in medicated or dejected? ;)

Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12956295)

isn't this really the wrong thread? shouldn't the question be "Any noticeable checkpoint differences when you whipped out your bound copy of the SOP and pointed to exactly where they were wrong?"

Originally Posted by tsa.gov

This version of the document was not the everyday screening manual used by Transportation Security Officers at airport checkpoints. As TSA is constantly adapting to address evolving threats, there have been six newer versions of the procedures since the version posted was approved.

Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12956919)

Dejected. Sort of like when a dept head pulls everyone in and screams at them for a couple hours.

Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12956927)

Ahh, but TSA already has an answer for this. Consider their official statement:

Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12956927)

We know that the SOP is SSI. It's reasonable to conclude that the SOP has changed somewhat since this document was produced. So, that leaves us exactly where we were before ... TSOs following procedures which aren't available to the public, with therefore no public accountability for following those procedures correctly.

Originally Posted by avsfan733 (Post 12957421)

They Can't even follow their published procedures :D you seriously think having the rules published would have any impact?

Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 12956356)

Actually an interesting point.

I wonder what would happen if you through a copy in a bin as you went through security?

Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 12958551)

In some cases, yes. It would certainly deflate some of the puffery that goes on occasionally (as oft reported here and elsewhere) when a TSO says "I know the rules, you're wrong", even if the TSO is in fact demonstrably wrong. Granted, that's about one step too late in the process. But, over time, it might have an impact.

Of course, I'm known around my workplace as the eternal optimist ... :)