Taxes at NRT?
Nov 8, 2006 | 4:39 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Taxes at NRT?
A question just out of curiosity...
I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.
Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?
I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.
Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?
Nov 8, 2006 | 12:23 pm
#2
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Portland OR Double Emerald (QF and AA), DL PM/MM, Starwood Plat
Posts: 19,593
JL has very high fuel surcharges, probably that is the reason for the high cost. As for flying on a JL codeshare that is not OW-operated, that will not earn miles on any FF plan other than JL (codeshares must be on OW metal to get OW benefits). The JL FF plan is quite poor compared to other OW airlines, fwiw.
Nov 8, 2006 | 1:57 pm
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by number_6
JL has very high fuel surcharges, probably that is the reason for the high cost.
Originally Posted by number_6
As for flying on a JL codeshare that is not OW-operated, that will not earn miles on any FF plan other than JL (codeshares must be on OW metal to get OW benefits).
Oh well, the price is too good to worry about a few points
Last edited by lemonski; Nov 8, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Nov 8, 2006 | 2:28 pm
#4
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Madrid, Spain & Santiago, Chile
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 3,181
I'm not a member of QFF so I'm curious about this codeshare issue.
Please see this: http://qantas.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/q...hp?p_faqid=249
Doesn't it say there all flights with a QF flight number earn points, including codeshares?. I see no exclusions.
Please see this: http://qantas.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/q...hp?p_faqid=249
Doesn't it say there all flights with a QF flight number earn points, including codeshares?. I see no exclusions.
Nov 8, 2006 | 3:06 pm
#5
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Portland OR Double Emerald (QF and AA), DL PM/MM, Starwood Plat
Posts: 19,593
OP wants to credit JL codeshare on NZ to QFF ... you are referencing crediting QF codeshare on xx to QFF ... completely different case and rules. At the moment QF doesn't codeshare on NZ for AKL-NRT flights! Though the way QF/NZ are going, that might be imminent.
Nov 8, 2006 | 7:28 pm
#6
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: RSE
Programs: AA Exp|VA Platinum
Posts: 15,913
Originally Posted by lemonski
Ah, the old "fuel surcharge" rip-off. Hopefully this will fall into line with other airlines, unless JL is really hard up for cash
D'oh! I just checked the QFF rules and it says that you earn points as long as the ticket has a flight number of QF or any OW airline, subject to a list of conditions - none of which mention codeshares being an exception. Then you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the rules, and then it does mention the codeshares as exceptions in the OW airline tables. Very sneaky, Qantas.
Oh well, the price is too good to worry about a few points
D'oh! I just checked the QFF rules and it says that you earn points as long as the ticket has a flight number of QF or any OW airline, subject to a list of conditions - none of which mention codeshares being an exception. Then you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the rules, and then it does mention the codeshares as exceptions in the OW airline tables. Very sneaky, Qantas.
Oh well, the price is too good to worry about a few points
Nov 9, 2006 | 3:00 am
#7
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by bensyd
Any chance of you sharing the price with us???
Although, if you're departing from SYD you might have better deals than we do. Usually the cheapo J seats from here are on Malaysian, Thai or Emirates, with the standard seating, and/or some bizarre routing requirement.
Nov 9, 2006 | 3:54 am
#8
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Portland OR Double Emerald (QF and AA), DL PM/MM, Starwood Plat
Posts: 19,593
Originally Posted by lemonski
NZ$6480 + taxes (add another $900), around A$6400. Seems pretty sharp to me - is it?
Although, if you're departing from SYD you might have better deals than we do. Usually the cheapo J seats from here are on Malaysian, Thai or Emirates, with the standard seating, and/or some bizarre routing requirement.
Although, if you're departing from SYD you might have better deals than we do. Usually the cheapo J seats from here are on Malaysian, Thai or Emirates, with the standard seating, and/or some bizarre routing requirement.
Nov 9, 2006 | 5:24 am
#9
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: RSE
Programs: AA Exp|VA Platinum
Posts: 15,913
Originally Posted by number_6
Isn't there a QF/AY fare that is half J/half Y for about AUD 3K (routing via NRT, BKK or HKG). I think only the AY legs were in J (but those are the longer legs).
Edit to add: Im not sure that AY deal works at certain times of the year.
Last edited by bensyd; Nov 9, 2006 at 5:34 am
Nov 9, 2006 | 1:09 pm
#10
Moderator, Hilton Honors
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
Originally Posted by lemonski
NZ$6480 + taxes (add another $900), around A$6400. Seems pretty sharp to me - is it?
Nov 9, 2006 | 5:37 pm
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Originally Posted by lemonski
A question just out of curiosity...
I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.
Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?
I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.
Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?
I'll update as I remember further.
Nov 9, 2006 | 8:38 pm
#12
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
Can do quite a bit better than that currently on several airlines. Eg see zuji.
Just thought JL would be a good way to scarf a few points when they join OW.
Nov 9, 2006 | 8:54 pm
#13
Moderator, Hilton Honors
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
Originally Posted by lemonski
Huh? None of these are OW.
Nov 9, 2006 | 9:02 pm
#14
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by TR35R
Originally Posted by TR35R
Thanks for the pointers. I might give it a go anyway, just to see what it is like.
Nov 9, 2006 | 9:12 pm
#15
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: AKL, New Zealand
Posts: 30
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
Nor is the JL codeshare, and it appeared to me you were attracted by the price ("looks sharp"). Sorry if I have misunderstood.
Anyway, thanks for the tip on zuji, I might investigate those deals a bit closer. Any experience with J on TG? I've never been all that impressed with their Y.