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lemonski Nov 8, 2006 4:39 am
Taxes at NRT?
 
A question just out of curiosity...

I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.

Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?

number_6 Nov 8, 2006 12:23 pm
JL has very high fuel surcharges, probably that is the reason for the high cost. As for flying on a JL codeshare that is not OW-operated, that will not earn miles on any FF plan other than JL (codeshares must be on OW metal to get OW benefits). The JL FF plan is quite poor compared to other OW airlines, fwiw.

lemonski Nov 8, 2006 1:57 pm
Originally Posted by number_6
JL has very high fuel surcharges, probably that is the reason for the high cost.
Ah, the old "fuel surcharge" rip-off. Hopefully this will fall into line with other airlines, unless JL is really hard up for cash

Originally Posted by number_6
As for flying on a JL codeshare that is not OW-operated, that will not earn miles on any FF plan other than JL (codeshares must be on OW metal to get OW benefits).
D'oh! I just checked the QFF rules and it says that you earn points as long as the ticket has a flight number of QF or any OW airline, subject to a list of conditions - none of which mention codeshares being an exception. Then you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the rules, and then it does mention the codeshares as exceptions in the OW airline tables. Very sneaky, Qantas.

Oh well, the price is too good to worry about a few points :)

Viajero Nov 8, 2006 2:28 pm
I'm not a member of QFF so I'm curious about this codeshare issue.

Please see this: http://qantas.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/q...hp?p_faqid=249

Doesn't it say there all flights with a QF flight number earn points, including codeshares?. I see no exclusions. :confused:

number_6 Nov 8, 2006 3:06 pm
OP wants to credit JL codeshare on NZ to QFF ... you are referencing crediting QF codeshare on xx to QFF ... completely different case and rules. At the moment QF doesn't codeshare on NZ for AKL-NRT flights! Though the way QF/NZ are going, that might be imminent.

bensyd Nov 8, 2006 7:28 pm
Originally Posted by lemonski
Ah, the old "fuel surcharge" rip-off. Hopefully this will fall into line with other airlines, unless JL is really hard up for cash



D'oh! I just checked the QFF rules and it says that you earn points as long as the ticket has a flight number of QF or any OW airline, subject to a list of conditions - none of which mention codeshares being an exception. Then you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the rules, and then it does mention the codeshares as exceptions in the OW airline tables. Very sneaky, Qantas.

Oh well, the price is too good to worry about a few points :)
Any chance of you sharing the price with us???

lemonski Nov 9, 2006 3:00 am
Originally Posted by bensyd
Any chance of you sharing the price with us???
NZ$6480 + taxes (add another $900), around A$6400. Seems pretty sharp to me - is it?

Although, if you're departing from SYD you might have better deals than we do. Usually the cheapo J seats from here are on Malaysian, Thai or Emirates, with the standard seating, and/or some bizarre routing requirement.

number_6 Nov 9, 2006 3:54 am
Originally Posted by lemonski
NZ$6480 + taxes (add another $900), around A$6400. Seems pretty sharp to me - is it?

Although, if you're departing from SYD you might have better deals than we do. Usually the cheapo J seats from here are on Malaysian, Thai or Emirates, with the standard seating, and/or some bizarre routing requirement.
Isn't there a QF/AY fare that is half J/half Y for about AUD 3K (routing via NRT, BKK or HKG). I think only the AY legs were in J (but those are the longer legs).

bensyd Nov 9, 2006 5:24 am
Originally Posted by number_6
Isn't there a QF/AY fare that is half J/half Y for about AUD 3K (routing via NRT, BKK or HKG). I think only the AY legs were in J (but those are the longer legs).
Indeed and at the moment you can get yourself a JQ flight to BKK for around $1800 return and pick up the flight there. Bit more expensive but you get full J SC's.

Edit to add: Im not sure that AY deal works at certain times of the year.

Kiwi Flyer Nov 9, 2006 1:09 pm
Originally Posted by lemonski
NZ$6480 + taxes (add another $900), around A$6400. Seems pretty sharp to me - is it?
Can do quite a bit better than that currently on several airlines. Eg see zuji.

TR35R Nov 9, 2006 5:37 pm
Originally Posted by lemonski
A question just out of curiosity...

I was looking at J flights AKL-LHR and noticed that JAL have a very good deal flying via NRT. When JAL join OW next year it seems like the best route to go to clock the miles : AKL-NRT is a 777 codeshare with NZ, and NRT-LHR is also 777, full lie-flat seats as opposed to QF, TG, Emirates.

Anyway, the quick question is why are taxes so high flying via NRT? They're nearly double other airlines on the regular routings (SIN, BKK, etc). Is this the high cost of NRT or is it peculiar to flying JAL?
Not only the taxes, but here're some negative information for you...


        I'll update as I remember further.

        lemonski Nov 9, 2006 8:38 pm
        Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
        Can do quite a bit better than that currently on several airlines. Eg see zuji.
        Huh? None of these are OW. Malaysian is a companion fare that only goes as far as Paris. Thai to LHR is cheaper by $1100, but it's Thai, and no flat bed. Emirates and Lufthansa are the same price as JL/NZ but no flat beds either. SQ looks like a good deal though, didn't they just upgrade their J cabin?

        Just thought JL would be a good way to scarf a few points when they join OW.

        Kiwi Flyer Nov 9, 2006 8:54 pm
        Originally Posted by lemonski
        Huh? None of these are OW.
        Nor is the JL codeshare, and it appeared to me you were attracted by the price ("looks sharp"). Sorry if I have misunderstood.

        lemonski Nov 9, 2006 9:02 pm
        Originally Posted by TR35R
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          That doesn't sound that great. On the other hand, the AKL-NRT leg on NZ is 2 class with 26 seats in J, and they're wider seats than 744. So it's only half bad news :)

          Originally Posted by TR35R
              I'm usually in Y so I'd be in the slow lane anyway... :)

              Thanks for the pointers. I might give it a go anyway, just to see what it is like.

              lemonski Nov 9, 2006 9:12 pm
              Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
              Nor is the JL codeshare, and it appeared to me you were attracted by the price ("looks sharp"). Sorry if I have misunderstood.
              No worries, I thought maybe the price was good given it will eventually be OW and the cabin might be better than the usual carriers that offer cheap J. The lack of points on a OW codeshare is a major flaw in my plan :)

              Anyway, thanks for the tip on zuji, I might investigate those deals a bit closer. Any experience with J on TG? I've never been all that impressed with their Y.


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