WOW!
Are you sure of this??
Seems very unfair to me if it is the case

I am not so sure about this. Assuming the new ticket is following IATA ticket rules, the required fares to construct a ticket in this way may not exist for some set of airports.

Full Y/J/F fares cannot always be combined; they are not always totally flexible. I think BA and IB are pretty restrictive in even their full Y fares, in that they do not always permit combinations with other carriers. And they won't honour IATA YY fares any more either. Recently a number of carriers have also stopped allowing Egyptian offices to issue many of their fares.

And then not every flight has a oneway fare published on it, certain niche routes are feeder only and do not exist as standalone flights (sometimes for legal reasons, or because of a codeshare existence restriction).

My guess is actually the agent would say you either fly the route as booked or take a refund: not necessarily out of policy, but because there is nothing else they can do.

This may be the tools awkward way of saying that it does not want to sell a RTW ticket ex cai, even if space is available. Thus, unlikely to change until a new pricing structure is in place.

It's odd, but I am getting this for ANY city. I tried Tokyo, London, Dusseldorf, etc - they're all giving this error.

glad to see I'm not the only one - I was actually trying to compare ex-Hubs I can do like ex-YVR, ex-SEA and ex-ZRH. All gave me that same error, I didnt even try ex-CAI.

is it working for anyone? I only tried it using Chrome FWIW.

FWIW I tried different browsers (and incognito mode) and different computers. Normally this was sufficient to fix this broken monstrosity of a website, but not in this case.

Guess the site's out for Christmas vacation while "enhancements" are being brought in?.... heh

At the risk of killing the golden goose before it lays any eggs....

I see that QR is commencing service ex-SEZ. ExpertFlyer has no xONEx fare posted starting in the Seychelles. Anyone know anything?

alaska mvp 75k vs oneworld emerald
 

last week, AS made a significant improvement on J fare and F fare with extra 100% bonus on J fare for CX, Ba, la, qa and jl. and 200% for F fare. (including d and a class respectively.) given that as 75k gets an extra 50k bonus miles. the return for flying d fare is 450% to 650% miles flown (ba d fare earns more).

comparing to aa exec plat which earns 245% on most partners. anyone planning to switch?

just a note: BA D fares earn 350% on AS, not 650. Nothing earns 650, in fact. The highest you can get is with 75k status on a full F fare on eg BA:

100% base
125% MVP75k
200% COS
200% new additional bonus

= 625%.

A earns 450% without status, D earns 350% without status

for ba d 75k mvp
base 100
cos 150
bonus 100
75k. elite 125
75k bonus 50k 140

the 140 is assumed for elites who needed to fly 32k on ba d fare to get 90k status miles on as to qualified for additional 50k bonus miles . ba d fare has 2.5 weighting. (base plus cos)

​​​​​​​615%

Why is this topic being discussed in a thread entitled "Oneworld Explorer FAQs"?

done3 ex mpm has been filed (which has no possible routing) and it seems the done4 fare has gone up.

So does that mean MPM-xDOH-SYD-SCL-GRU-JNB does not qualify? Serious question. I know the rules state that if you transit there (ME) from Europe to SW Pacific then Asia automatically is added as a continent, but is that true for Africa-SW Pacific or Africa-South America transit?

this is africa europe (asia) sw pscific and s america. either 4 or 5 even if asia is not counted

You need to pay for each continent your itinerary touches, whether it is a transit or a stopover.

What that rule says is that even if your itinerary doesn't touch Asia (because you fly over the top without having a ticketed point within Asia), you still have to pay for Asia.

Thanks to both of you. I know I had seen both of those rules in the past but it hadn't soaked in when I asked the question. Just for trying to look for a silver lining in them having listed a DONE3 fare. (especially when they have not withdrawn their exCAI fare)

There is no reason for anywhere in Africa that does not have a non stop transatlantic flight, or a connection via Comair, to have a xONE3 fare filed.

It is probable that the fare was systematically filed.

MPM is on the list of oneworld airports, so it gets the full set of xONEx fares.

Who knows, BA*MN has offered service in the past on JNB-MPM and might come back.

yes. the net result is done4 is 500usd more expensive than before. still cheap but not as cheap.

I was just trying to price a DONE4 ex-CAI, but the OneWorld booking tool says you can't start from any airport in Egypt.

What gives?

This gives - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...w-tickets.html

Am I correct that the latest version of the xONEx rules has removed the ban on 2 return trips to the ME from LHR? It seems to have been dropped from the latest version of the rules on the OW website.

Or am I now so hopelessly confused since the changes to the transit rules from Africa...
(I'm not planning on going to Africa)


What I want to do is HND-HKG-LHR-DXB-LHR-MCT-LHR-SFO etc

Thanks,

Medicus

I downloaded the rules near the end of November 2016.
Rule 4(h) still has the limitation (referring to the 4 flights in the European area)
*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA west of the Urals, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.

It would seem for your selection, one of the two Middle Eastern points will need to be DOH and then connecting to somewhere other than the UK as QR does offer daily flights to most of the European area. The other choice might be:
HND-HKG-LHR-DXB-HEL-DXB-LHR-SFO.

Happy wandering

Fred

Yes, you are correct. The new version of the rules, dated 1-December-2016, removed that restriction
See here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27552163-post403.html

Apologies I will download the latest version.

Happy wandering

Fred

Thank you. That's great news!

Medicus

I encountered problem with QR married segment logic when rerouting my exMPM DONE5.

I would like to have NRT-xDOH-SEZ as final segments. EF shows availability on both segments when looking separately. However, when when looking as a connecting flight EF doesn't show that route at all. QF agent could select the first flight, but then it's not possible to select the latter any more.

NRT-DOH segment is also available as JL codeshare and DOH-SEZ is also available as BA codeshare, but according to the OneWorld help desk it's not allowed to ticket that connection even with the codeshares because of the QR restrictions. In addition, when selecting codeshare flight over prime flight I would loose paid STPC.

Is it possible to include those segments to DONE5 somehow, willingly as prime flights? Or reroute suggestions that could work with QR married segment logic?

My full route after change would be MPM-xDOH-HEL-MIA-LAX-LIM-SCL-IPC-xSCL-xJFK-HKG-KTM-xHKG-CGK-NRT-xDOH-SEZ and I have already flown MPM-xDOH-HEL.

You could waitlist for the desired flights and ask the QF oneworld desk to raise the matter with their QR counterparts, who might confirm you onto the flight. This seems to be something of a long shot though.

The SWU rules are the same for RTWs as for any other kind of revenue ticket. Each SWU is valid for up to three flights, the flights do not have to be contiguous, and you can't backtrack on the same SWU.

Are you sure that LHR-LAX-MIA-GRU isn't permitted on one SWU? Seems legit to me as there is no backtracking.

QR still has ex-CAI fares (e.g., an ex-CAI DONE5 is $2773.45 USD). I don't know if they will sell you one.

Personally, I use ExpertFlyer to find code shares. Just do a "Flight Availability" search for A-B and use the drop-down to select OneWorld. E.g.,:
Depends. I've had luck changing the dates of flights other than the first, even when it turned a connection into a stop. My taxes and fees were recalculated, but the ticket wasn't repriced.

Depends what you mean by "whether the price is still valid." You are permitted to make date/time/carrier changes to segments other than the first, before starting the trip, and only pay updated taxes/fees, not a reprice. Airlines will often reissue a ticket for any change, which is fine since reissue is not the same as reprice. Reissuing a ticket is safer than revalidating it. I always make significant date/time/carrier changes to my RTW tickets before flying the first segment, and my tickets are always reissued and never repriced. However, the base fare does still need to be valid, so if you have an ex-CAI ticket, the airline will find it difficult to change your ticket if they withdrew their ex-CAI fare.

I tried to have AA upgrade their segments on an ex-CAI ticket, and the Exec desk told me it was very difficult since AA had withdrawn their ex-CAI fare. They didn't say it couldn't be done, just that they would need to figure out how to do it. I didn't push it because I was going to make date changes to those flights anyway.

Is it legal to change around the sequence of continents after the trip has begun?

For instance, if I have a SYD-LAX, LAX-UIO, UIO-LHR, LHR-JNB, JNB-HKG, HKG-SYD; I fly to UIO, then I decide I don't actually want to go to LHR right now, I want to go to JNB instead. Can I flip the routing to UIO-JNB (via GRU, I guess), JNB-LHR, LHR-HKG? (after flying the first segment, so hypothetically pricing should not change?)

Yes it is - I did exactly that with a DONE3 (or maybe an AONE3) some years back: I took CAI-LHR with a view to then going to Asia then NA and back to Europe. However, whilst I was in the air between CAI and LHR my TA managed to snag me a seat on one of the last Concorde flights (which tells you that it was quite a few years ago, but I don't think the rules have changed in this regard, except that the Concorde supplement is no longer available), so I switched to do Europe-NA-Asia-Europe. And it was reticketed on the fly by the BA desk at LHR (after my very excellent TA had rejigged all the reservations).

I hate you.

Not for answering my question, for which I thank you, but for having flown the Concorde. :) ^

+1
and for the same reason:)

if i start with mpm doh jfk with a transfer in doh.

can you end with nrt xlhr lca (stop) xlhr cpt? does the mpm doh jfk count as europe or middle east?

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Yes (also you can stopover in London both times if you want)
Middle East (so your outbound from Africa is via the Middle East zone, which then allows your return to Africa to be via the Europe zone to South Africa). Of course your final flights could be LCA-DOH-CPT if you wanted

thanks.. stop in lhr costs too much money..

one more question.

gru -x lax -x jfk - hkg.

does it consider as transit without stopover? (this is my second entry to north america). if yes, do i have 4 hours or 24 hours to connect at lax?

24 hours being an international ticket.

do u think it counts as transit without stopover? as i want to do gru lax jfk hkg (on cx 888)...