The rules say: 'If the rerouting results in an increase to the number of continents or extra flight segments previously charged, the ticket shall be recalculated.'

Please confirm my understanding is correct; this wording about extra flight segments is obsolete as those are no longer allowed, right?

If I book a minimal itinerary now, fly the first segment and then request adding segments (within the total 16 limit), they would only charge me the change fee and any additional taxes etc BUT not recalculate the ticket ie charge a possible difference in base fare?

This is important because then I could just use the online tool to get a ticket and then worry about completing the itinerary later while having base fare protected. Thanks.

I believe your understanding is correct (though I have no direct evidence to support it)

In particular, the rule you quote does NOT have the following words (which two other rules do have)

Yes.

My recent experience.

ex-JNB DONE4 issued in Jan2016 (via online tool, CX ticketed).
1st segement in Oct2016.
After that, rerouting done by JL.
Onlly rerouting fee and tax difference and JL's handlng fee (5400JPY) were charged.

And just to confirm - the fare had increased between when you purchased your ticket in Jan and when you made the changes in Oct. Right?

Yes.
As mentined in some threads in this forum, exJNB,WDH,MPM had been increased around 01Aug2016.

See following thread.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...es-moving.html

Guys, many thanks for your replies, much appreciated.

Its been a couple of years since I've done RTWs and never booked with the online tool before but it takes ages to get replies from both BA and QR in Cairo...guess we all know why :).

Anyway, been playing with the tool and something that amazes me is how much the taxes and fees depend on the choice of carrier. For example CAI-LHR-HEL with first leg on BA and the second on AY the taxes come up GBP161 (!) higher than if I choose BA for both legs. Same date, straight transit LHR-HEL flights 2 hours apart.

Similarly, for LAX-LHR-CAI both flights on BA comes up GBP190 higher than choosing AA for the LAX-LHR segment. Just unbelievable!

As far as I understand it, AONE6 has a 5% of fare cxl penalty. What if I fly the first segment (intra-region), how do I calculate the refund then?

what was the deal out of indonesia again? there is almost no refund after flying since the fare is cheap, and it is calculated as sum of 1 way tickets flown

I don't get it - isn't there supposed to be a percentage refunded, irrespective of fare paid?

that is for unflown ticket, 5% if ticket is un used.would u mind to share the aone that u book? or is it a secret that u prefer not to say despite you repeatedly ask for advice here.

Someone will try to calculate the cost of your flown itinerary, and subtract that from the paid fare. In principle that could be a series of Y fares tagged on to each other. That is your refund.

The difficulty arises when it is not actually possible to construct your flown itinerary as a series of oneway fares on one ticket.

That penalty is before taking any flights.

If flown any sectors, then the equivalent one way fare is calculated for the sectors flown and added up. This is subtracted from paid fare to determine the refund. Thus refunds are not likely to be significant if the RTW was purchased cheaply compared with one-way fares for the sectors flown. There is no easy way for passengers to calculate/estimate the refund.

And if, as I expect would happen not infrequently, the passenger owes additional money, is it collected?

Most countries with a notion of contract law would not allow that ...

Why not?

"This is a special fare which requires a complete journey from initial origin to final destination and is based on the passenger completing the entire trip. Failure to complete the entire trip as ticketed will result in repricing those segments actually flown as one-way point-to-point flights in the cabin actually flown, which may result in a refund to, or additional collection from, the passenger."

Seems to me that that would do it.

If that were very clearly stated at time of purchase, and those one-way prices were available to the purchaser, perhaps. It's the open ended and opaque nature of airline pricing that seems to me to make this look very slippery, especially if these tickets are sold to consumers.

On a separate point, many one way fares do not allow themselves to be used for historical repricing of flown sectors. Many of BA's fares now include the condition that "FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE." After the sector is flown you essentially have an empty tariff with no price for that leg.

The other take could be - if the sum of the one way fares exceed the value of the originally purchased xONEx - then the ticket can not be cancelled/refunded and no money is refunded/asked for from the customer.

Happy wandering

Fred

Yes, but these are theoretical fares and purchases. The passenger doesn't actually buy them; they're used only for calculation. Doesn't matter if they were actually available at the moment that the passenger paid for the RTW ticket. Sort of like HIP calculation, no?


Well, sure, if the airline feels like letting the pax off the hook. So, for example, if you only need a one-way ticket (e.g., meeting a cruise ship) and the xONEx fare is cheaper, why not buy the xONEx fare and just not fly the rest of the itinerary after the city where you board the cruise? No penalty and no exposure under your scenario.

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Mileage Monkey Says this is a valid xDONEx routing, is it really valid?
 

Can anyone help me? Is the following a valid xDONEx routing?



CAI-oLHR-ARN-LHR-MEX-oMIA-JFK-LAX-HNL-NRT-HKG-MLE-HKG-BOM-DOH-DXB


Thanks in advance

Just to be clear, the notation is o for stopover and x for transit. You are only stopping in London and Miami, and the rest are transits?

Assuming you have that the wrong way round then it looks OK to me.

Thanks Chris

Sorry just read your previous replies, Im getting some grief with the interpretation of flying the same airline pairs twice on the xONEx fare, mileage monkey says the routing works, but I still need to understand why its the particular CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR- segments and the -oHKG-oMLE-oHKG- segments are valid, so I can try to explain to the airline to issue my ticket.

Thanks

CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR-oMEX-oMIA-oJFK-oLAX-oHNL-oNRT-oHKG-oMLE-oHKG-oBOM-oDOH-oDXB

The full rules are here: http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...9-d346ec820edf

The restriction on city pairs is "The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction". You don't breach that rule.

(It wasn't there in the dim and distant past, so I did HKG-NRT-HKG-NRT-HKG as my Asia segments many years ago, but that wouldn't be allowed now.)

Your routing is valid, but you are violating one little rule - "Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin"
Your continent of origin is Europe/Middle East and you have three stopovers there - ARN, LHR and DOH (your final destination - DXB - does not count as a stopover)
So one of those three will have to become a transit.

From a true FTer point of view however:

• you are throwing away one segment - you are allowed 16 and you are using only 15, how wasteful!
• you have a tiny little flight DOH-DXB! Why not BOM-AMM/HEL/LHR-DXB? ("/" means "or")

Well ... :)

DOH-DXB will be in F on a J ticket. The other routings would not be. Depending on the airmiles scheme this can be more valuable than the actual distance, particularly in comparison with AMM-DXB.

HEL-DXB is (on some days of the week) a seven hour night flight operated in a Euro short haul config. It should be avoided at all costs.

LHR-DXB may incur an additional fuel surcharge, depending on who is plating the ticket. :)

So maybe I might change the last sectors to BOM-xLHR-DXB - Thanks for the tip

What is the best oneworld partner to collect points to earn oneworld elite status and accumulate miles? I was originally going for CX MPO/Asiamiles but BA Executive club/Avios looks better?

Or should I try the AA elite challenge?

Any thoughts?

See here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...help-here.html

is there any where to discuss the routing rule for GLOB fare?

My understanding is that it is a mileage based product, and 4 stopovers per region.

The rules for the Global Explorer are also available on the oneworld website.

Many sections of the rules are similar to the xONEx, but have some large differences.

Can travel on all the oneworld members and afflilates as per xONEx, in addtion to Alaska Airlines, Jetstar Group, Aer Lingus, Fiji Airways, Meridiana, Bangkok Airways, Westjet and QF codeshares on Air Tahiti Nui.
Oneworld member codeshares on Jetstar airlines are fine, except JL codes on GK (Jetstar Japan). (If using Jetstar [JQ] flights, long haul flights operated by 787 have a D cabin and the JQ code books into D on those flights. However, while QF codeshares on those flights, the D code is not sold under the QF codeshare. All other Jetstar group [JQ, GK, BL, 3K] flights use single class A320s)

There are 4 mileage bands, 26000, 29000, 34000 and 39000. All classes (L/D/A) are only available on the xGLOB34. L is available on all of them. I (Business) is available on the 26.

So there is a hell of a lot of info on mileage programs

But what is the consensus on collecting miles and tier status? for a DONEx ticket like below?

CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR-oMEX-oMIA-oJFK-oLAX-oHNL-oNRT-oHKG-oMLE-oHKG-oBOM-oDOH-oDXB

Should I go for the AA challenge? and/or can I cherry pick and selectively give my AA, BA or CX membership number depending on which carrier&sector I am flying?

Thanks for helping!!!!



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It depends what you want to do. Maintaining status in three mileage programmes within the same alliance seems to me inefficient for most travellers. I think most people would consolidate their mileage and status earning into one programme. But that is a wider question than one particular RTW trip.

Thanks Calchas

I dont have any tiers on BA, AA, CX or any other one world carrier.

Have enough CX miles on MPO, but got them from credit card spending so hence no status. Do lots ot intra europe flights where CX Asia miles not get the best priority for availability so thought would throw some flights in the BA Avios program and take AA challenge to get Sapphire tier status quickly and the balance collect on CX Asia miles.

But do you think it would be better to go up tiers in CX, BA or use the AA challenge in my case?

Thanks again

It's hard to say. I'm definitely not an expert on CX and I only know a little about AA.

If you're doing a lot of revenue F and J flying, BA rewards that quite well, I think more than AA rewards their own flyers for F and J. But if you often travel in Y, then you may find AA is better, particularly because they offer lots of upgrade instruments especially on AA domestic flights. Also I believe AA rewards Y flyers quite well, whereas on BA, Y flights earn practically nothing. BA does have their "reward flight saver" scheme in Europe which is a good use of Avios. BA & AA work well together, so you get a lot of BA Avios points for flying on AA, and vice versa. However CX doesn't play well with BA, you don't tend to get many Avios for flying on CX.

I would say that until you reach top tier status in one programme, it is best to pick one programme and concentrate your earning there.

It's, here, it's here!

Oneworld now offers round-the-world southern hemisphere ticket.

https://www.oneworld.com/news-inform..._col_count%3D5

Not seeing it in any tariff yet

Depends where you look; in a quick scan it was currently visible (using BA) ex-SYD, ex-AKL and ex-EZE, nothing yet ex-JNB/MPM/WDH. I presume it's taking time to populate the GDSs. On EF I plugged in mid-January in case the fare isn't active right now.

I tried a dummy booking on the tool and it validated the route but (as usual) barfed when I tried to find specific flights, so no autopricing either.

on xonex fare, one can backtrack and stop in the same city multiple times. is that still allowed on glob? also, can i do asia south pacific asia with stops in asia on both ends?

Yes

No. A second visit to Asia is allowed, but one of the visits must be a transfer without stopover (same as for the xONEx)

It's all in the rule sheet, which is available on the Oneworld website

QF has xONE3 fares out of Australia showing in EF

LONE3 for AUD3299 (the LONE4 is AUD3899)
DONE3 for AUD10499 (the DONE4 is AUD11999)

there is no AONE3 published - I guess because none of the airlines have first class cabins on southern hemisphere routes

Edited to add:
QF also has filed xONE3 fares out of AKL, but nothing showing out of JNB or SCL as yet

Bah, I was only looking ex-ZA. :)