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Originally Posted by Knusper
(Post 19819411)
SIN-HKG (transit)-OKA-SYD(transit) -NRT--(surface) AKL
OKA? Osaka = OSA or KIX Unfortunately you can not take more than one sector between a zone, in this case you are travelling Asia-SW Pacific-Asia-SW Pacific. I'm not sure why you would want to open jaw (surface) between Japan and New Zealand. To buy that sector is not cheap! Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit. // = open jaw/surface Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL. With regard to the taxes/fuel surcharges I suggest you play around with valid routings on http://matrix.itasoftware.com/ which allows you to view these charges and switch codeshares to try and reduce the total bill. Good luck and enjoy! |
Originally Posted by Knusper
(Post 19819411)
Do I then get the american pricing, which is cheaper than the german one?
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Hi guys,
thank you for your help. I just noticed that this a sticky thread, so sorry for posting in hier (I came here via google) By the way: OKA = okinawa
Originally Posted by dekonz
Unfortunately you can not take more than one sector between a zone, in this case you are travelling Asia-SW Pacific-Asia-SW Pacific.
The correct and tax improved itinerary looks like this and was verified with milage monkey: 1: FRA-HKG: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to Asia without immediate transit & departure) 2: HKG-SIN: 1st of 4 (Asia) 3: SIN-HKG: 2nd of 4 (Asia) 4: HKG-OKA: 3rd of 4 (Asia) 5: OKA-NRT: 4th of 4 (Asia) 6: NRT-SYD: intercontinental 7: SYD-ZQN: 1st of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 8: ZQN-AKL: surface 9: AKL-SYD: 2nd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 10: SYD-CNS: surface 11: CNS-SYD: 3rd of 4 (Southwest Pacific) 12: SYD-HNL: 1st of 1 (intercontinental entry to North America without immediate transit & departure) 13: HNL-DFW: 1st of 6 (North America) 14: DFW-YVR: 2nd of 6 (North America) 15: YVR-LHR: intercontinental 16: LHR-FRA: 1st of 4 (Europe) This costs me about 3200 € (= 4.137,50 $)
Originally Posted by dekonz
I'm not sure why you would want to open jaw (surface) between Japan and New Zealand. To buy that sector is not cheap!
Suggest SIN-HKG-KIX//NRT-SYD-AKL-SYD-HNL etc. with one SYD a transit. Be aware that each open jaw counts as a sector towards the maximum permitted of 16. It would be much cheaper to buy a sidetrip to CNS than it would to buy NRT/AKL.
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 19827295)
No, you don't.
When this doesn't work, what advantages do I have with booking at the AA desk? Apparently a lot of people try to book with AA even if AA is only a minor carry on their itinerary. If this posting here is at the wrong place, please tell me and I will post this in the newbie-thread ;-) |
Originally Posted by Knusper
(Post 19827458)
I though that then I would have to pay the ticket in US $ and I could profit from the exchange rates - euro/US $ (minus the credit card currency exchange fees).
When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate. The resultant fare must not be lower than from the country of sale. When this doesn't work, what advantages do I have with booking at the AA desk? Apparently a lot of people try to book with AA even if AA is only a minor carry on their itinerary. I think they count singapore to Asia. Funnily enough, when I skip the whole Japan thing and fly FRA-SIN-SYD the price is basically the same despite me havein a ONE3 now instead of a ONE4 - so under these circumstances SIN counts as asia??? |
Originally Posted by Knusper
(Post 19827458)
By the way: OKA = okinawa
I think they count singapore to Asia. Funnily enough, when I skip the whole Japan thing and fly FRA-SIN-SYD the price is basically the same despite me havein a ONE3 now instead of a ONE4 - so under these circumstances SIN counts as asia??? Any ONE itinerary that includes SWP has to be at least an xONE4. Even if you are ticketed on say a QF flight FRA-SIN-SYD and do not stopover in SIN you must count this flight as travelling through Asia. I'm pleased to see you are making progress with your trip planning :D |
Hi Himeno, thanks for your help!
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 19827546)
People tend to book with AA to reduce the amount of taxes/fees (mostly fuel) paid on the ticket. Until a few weeks ago, people also went through the AA desk to set up the ticket for sale via an agent in Canada. The rule exemption which allowed that was removed. :( If you want the local price and are not present in that country when buying, you need to use the online tool or find an agent in the country of departure willing to do an online electronic transaction.
@deconz: thanks, nevertheless I got the feeling that there is still plenty of room for improvment :D |
Originally Posted by Knusper
(Post 19827790)
Why do I get the local price regarding taxes & fees when using the online tool?
My understanding is that when booking online, the booking goes to the airline which is carrier of the first flight (in my case that would be Cathay Pacific or Japan Airlines). Do you mean that I can influence the taxes/fee of the entire ONE ticket (not only of the first flight) by chosing the carrier of the first flight? Or is it possible with the online booking to give the booking of the ONE ticket to an airlines of my choice (even when its not the carrier of the first flight) and I have not discovered this option yet? If the first carrier is JL, RJ or S7, it will send the booking to AA to ticket. However this has been creating a bug in the tool where it will fail on the last page of the booking process. I'm not sure if this has been fixed yet. You can adjust fees to an extent depending on the ticketing carrier (that carrier may not pass on fees for other carriers) or by carefully selecting different codes for each flight (I was able to save around $300 on my last DONE3 by using an IB code on a BA LHR-DXB - but in order to use that, I had to fly IB instead of BA for my previous MAD-LHR sector). |
Thanks, I think I finally get that "start in a cheap country" thing now. Unfortunately, as I have maxed out my segments (16/16) already this doesn't seem to be an option for me.
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Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 19827546)
Singapore is part of Asia. As is Indonesia. Generally "South West Pacific" is Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea. The other parts of "South West Pacific" don't have regular oneworld service.
Click through for a larger version. http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1102/...c3270d6b8b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Lux
(Post 19834975)
A look at the most recent fare rules for the oneworld explorer makes me think that this map is still valid, which might help your visualisation of the different regions.
If you ever tweak it, can I make the following suggestions:
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This link is from the MM site (I sent link it to SLF some months ago). Or google C2852-4 poster
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf Is old, but probably still valid Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 19840489)
This link is from the MM site (I sent link it to SLF some months ago). Or google C2852-4 poster
http://web.archive.org/web/200807200...2-4_poster.pdf Is old, but probably still valid Christmas and Cocos Islands [Australia], close to Indonesia, may be in no zone. |
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Have DONE5 fares ex-JNB spiked up in cost?
Tried to price one via the online tool and it adds up to 128,xxx ZAR (about 14k AUD), up from $80,xxx ZAR that it previously used to be! |
Originally Posted by SQ421
(Post 19860328)
Have DONE5 fares ex-JNB spiked up in cost?
Tried to price one via the online tool and it adds up to 128,xxx ZAR (about 14k AUD), up from $80,xxx ZAR that it previously used to be! In KVS, the DONE5 base price shows as ZAR55,200 which I'm pretty sure is unchanged (the DONE4 is certainly unchanged - at ZAR48,000) |
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