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Originally Posted by joepubli
(Post 19207475)
Thanks again. What do you mean by "(after it has been returned from the rates desk)". The agent gave me a PNR and I received an email as well. How do I know its been returned from the rates desk? - how long does it typically take. I made the reservation close to Dallas RTW closing time.
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Help! Naeem has just come back to say that he can't ticket it unless there is at least one AA segment. My DONE4 is avoiding the US by flying from Europe to South America and then to Australia. Any work arounds or do I really need to redo it?
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 19152716)
Not silly at all, and it's one of the great mysteries (and sources of grief) in the whole business.
Answers: a. Yes. b. Yes. c. Yes. Usually, (a) and (c) are the same, and (b) is increasingly contingent on (a.) In particular you will likely be charged more in fuel fines - total - by British Airways if they're ticketing and/or flying the first segment, as they will assess surcharges "downstream" on other carriers' flights. AA is less prone to do so, although they will happily pass through fuel surcharges on BA-flown segments (with or without AA codeshare designations.) I don't know that the data base is broad enough to speak in general terms on tickets issued by other OW airlines. AA does proxy booking on JL and RJ - initiated RTWs, but the online tool is very buggy in these cases, so while it might seem like those tickets suffer less from fuel fines, actually consummating the sale online with these carriers is problematic. As of now, nobody has cracked the code on how best (which also relates to where best) to avoid excessive fuel fines - a lot of it is trial and error using the (buggy) online booking tool. In addition, of course, the possible permutations of itineraries (with and without stopovers, open segments, etc.) is in the ?millions? so a comprehensive road map is probably out of the question. Anecdotal experience with having the AA RTW desk issue tickets irrespective of the first carrier (i.e. as a work-around for the online tool) is mixed; I've had them quote me a higher total (related to more YQ) than the online tool on the same itinerary, also less. Quite frustrating, in fact. |
Now for another silly question: sometimes the One World tool says I have too many sectors when its own little graph shows it as fewer than 16. Is the graph wrong or the error wrong? If it's the latter, can I still do this online? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF
(Post 19279407)
Now for another silly question: sometimes the One World tool says I have too many sectors when its own little graph shows it as fewer than 16. Is the graph wrong or the error wrong? If it's the latter, can I still do this online? Thanks!
Most likely is that you have too many sectors within a single continent (4 sector limit in each, 6 in NA). |
One that it objected to was
CPH-MAD-TLV-LHR-MEL-HKG-NRT-SIN-SFO-JFK-DFW-CDG-CPH Note that SIN-SFO requred doing SIN-HKG-SFO with different flight numbers. It wasn't the limited stopovers in Europe that were the problem as TLV-LHR-MEL and CPH-MAD-TLV were both done with less than 24 hours between flights, so those errors went away. |
Originally Posted by RichardInSF
(Post 19285410)
One that it objected to was
CPH-MAD-TLV-LHR-MEL-HKG-NRT-SIN-SFO-JFK-DFW-CDG-CPH Note that SIN-SFO requred doing SIN-HKG-SFO with different flight numbers. It wasn't the limited stopovers in Europe that were the problem as TLV-LHR-MEL and CPH-MAD-TLV were both done with less than 24 hours between flights, so those errors went away. AFAIK there is no Oneworld service, and if transiting somewhere, that will result in a 5th flight in the continent of origin which is not allowed EDIT: to remove the rubbish I had in about two visits to Asia (brain is now in gear:o) |
Aha, well spotted, I missed that, thanks. I guess I could do DFW-MAD-CPH if I would be allowed to pass through Madrid again (without stopping over). Would that work?
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Originally Posted by RichardInSF
(Post 19287765)
Aha, well spotted, I missed that, thanks. I guess I could do DFW-MAD-CPH if I would be allowed to pass through Madrid again (without stopping over). Would that work?
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Itinerary Validation and Advice
Hi, RTW newbie here just about to embark on buying my first ticket (LONE4). I've checked it out using the OneWorld planner and all seems to be in order but I'm sure someone will be able to find a flaw in it somewhere...
SIN-(LHR-CDG)-(surface to MAD)-LIM-IPC-(LIM-LPB)-SCL-(SYD-BNE)-NOU-BNE-(HKG-XIY)-(HKG-SIN) More importantly, what is the best way to get the lowest fare for this itinerary? Using the online tool necessitates putting in dates - I'd prefer buying an open-dated ticket as my travel dates are not fixed - and will cost me SGD7489 in total. I live in Australia (not in a big city, no access to good travel agents here unfortunately) but would rather depart from Asia. Also, why do I keep seeing people using AA? Is there a benefit by ticketing through them - do they allow free date changes for example (QF says they can change dates for 'free' but will impose a service charge of AUD80 each time). Thanks for clueing me in guys. |
Welcome to Ft ThePeripateticOne
Your itinerary has no flaws, but I'm intrigued by what the brackets mean - for example "SCL-(SYD-BNE)-NOU" With your BNE and SYD stops, I presume you're located somewhere on the East coast of the lucky country, and further that you want to start in Asia so that you can get two trips out of the one ticket (the first being RTW from SIN to Oz, and the 2nd to HKG and XIY) BUT, I'll just point out that one of the cheapest places to start a LONEn is from New Zealand - for example ex-SIN LONE4 base fare SGD5419 and ex-AKL NZD3899 (the SGD:NZD exchange rate is 1:1) - so a saving of NZD/SGD1520 by starting in AKL Your first segment is SIN-LHR, so that must be on either QF or BA - both of which are known for their hefty fuel surcharges. If you started with say SIN-HKG-CDG..., and so CX will be your first carrier, then your surcharges should be greatly reduced - try it using the on-line tool Same thing if you choose to start from AKL - start with AKL-HKG on CX to reduce the surcharges People ticket through AA for two basic reasons - historically AA has imposed very few fuel surcharges (though this is no longer as good as it used to be), and AA has a good RTW desk which makes it easy to set up the ticket and to make subsequent changes to it (at no fee) I'm not sure if open-dated tickets are still possible Under the ticket rules, date, time and carrier changes are allowed free of charge (a date change is subject to the 1 year time limit between the first and last flights) - but airlines can impose a service fee, which is what QF does Other: You're intending to fly LIM-LPB!!?? Fly over the Sacred Valley/Macchu Pichu and Lake Titicaca! In March this year we bought cheap add-on flights LIM-CUZ (and bus/train return to Macchu Pichu through the valley) and CUZ-JUL (then bus to Puno on the shore of the lake, and then bus on to La Paz) Booking class L seats are hard to find on the southern trans-pacific flights (QF SCL-SYD and LA SCL-AKL/SYD) Happy planning:D |
Thanks PandaPerth, that was very helpful. I've modified the itinerary so that I fly SIN-HKG first (and get to fly CX as a bonus!). The brackets were meant to indicate non-direct flights e.g. intended destination from SIN is CDG, but the flight stops in LHR.
Two further questions: 1) The online tool appears to book with the first carrier chosen (in this case, CX). How does one go about booking with AA - call them directly? Does CX charge service fees like QF? 2) It will cost SGD 16725 for D class and SGD 7315 for L. I have NEVER flown D before - given that if I buy a D fare I can experience D class in CX and QF (I doubt IB and LA will be as good) is the price difference worth it? To answer your queries, 1) Yes I am starting in SIN so I can get a few extra trips out of the ticket. I have to come back to work (you're right - in East Coast Oz) after the SCL-BNE leg, and was thinking of using the remaining segments next year. So while it might be cheaper to fly from AKL I won't get maximum use from the ticket. 2) I spent 2 months in Peru in 2006 (work and play) have already done the Inca Trail, Machu Picchu, Lake Titicaca and the Sacred Valley. Going to explore the rest of the country this time round, so no regrets flying from LIM to LPB. Might have to take some internal LAN flights though... |
Originally Posted by ThePeripateticOne
(Post 19292927)
Thanks PandaPerth, that was very helpful. I've modified the itinerary so that I fly SIN-HKG first (and get to fly CX as a bonus!). The brackets were meant to indicate non-direct flights e.g. intended destination from SIN is CDG, but the flight stops in LHR.
1) The online tool appears to book with the first carrier chosen (in this case, CX). How does one go about booking with AA - call them directly? Does CX charge service fees like QF? I've had to make a number of changes during my xONE3/4s over the years, I've never had anyone charge any fees for it. All the changes I've made have been to QF flights or on QF issued tickets, although the actual changes were made by AA, BA and JL. 2) It will cost SGD 16725 for D class and SGD 7315 for L. I have NEVER flown D before - given that if I buy a D fare I can experience D class in CX and QF (I doubt IB and LA will be as good) is the price difference worth it? |
Originally Posted by ThePeripateticOne
(Post 19292927)
Thanks PandaPerth, that was very helpful. I've modified the itinerary so that I fly SIN-HKG first (and get to fly CX as a bonus!). The brackets were meant to indicate non-direct flights e.g. intended destination from SIN is CDG, but the flight stops in LHR.
Did the change make much difference to the overall cost? Two further questions: 1) The online tool appears to book with the first carrier chosen (in this case, CX). How does one go about booking with AA - call them directly? Does CX charge service fees like QF? Yes - you can phone AA's RTW desk BUT AA is loath to ticket if it has no long-haul flights (the desk is in Dallas - phone +1 800 843 3000) I don't know if CX charges a service fee 2) It will cost SGD 16725 for D class and SGD 7315 for L. I have NEVER flown D before - given that if I buy a D fare I can experience D class in CX and QF (I doubt IB and LA will be as good) is the price difference worth it? One major benefit will be much better availability on the SCL-SYD segment I wouldn't pay that much extra for D but I am playing with DONE4 itineraries ex-KRT where the base fare is SDG14,700 - approx AUD2,700 (and we will be in SEZ next April, not too far away from KRT:p) Others have reported that LA long-haul D is very good |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 19292600)
I'm not sure if open-dated tickets are still possible The online tool, of course, will not issue open-dated tickets. |
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