Thanks. Looks like JNB is a fair amount cheaper, plus you get the extra mileage flying down there.

And the benefit of 4 internal flights in Europe/ME.

I don't understand this. If I start in CAI, I still get the 4 internal flights in Europe/ME, right? Obviously I need to use this allowance of 4 to get in and out of CAI, although I can finish anywhere in ME, not necessarily in CAI.

You still have 4 flights in Europe, but only two stopovers.

Yes plus there are restrictions on the number of long flights to/from London within Europe. But CAI is served by QR and RJ as well. The QR option doesn't appear if you try to start your journey at CAI because QR aren't willing to take ticketing responsibility.

OK, I'm looking at rule 4(e)3, §3.2.2: Africa-Middle East-RTW-Middle East-Africa.So would this work? JNB-xDOH-BKK-...-LHR-DOH-CDG-DOH-JNB.

Or this? JNB-xDOH-BKK-...-LHR-DOH-LHR-DOH-JNB.

Maybe.

Not valid. Fails two rules (at least). Cannot fly the same route more than once and also has more than two long intra-Europe flights to/from UK.

So I can avoid all these limitations by making the trip JNB-HKG-...-LAX-LHR-DOH-CDG-DOH-LHR-JNB. That should work, right?

And, of course, with the 2015 Promotion, I can get an extra 12K AA miles by splitting LAX-LHR into LAX(AA)-JFK(AA codeshare op by BA)-LHR. But then, of course, I lose the 380 on that route, not to mention the longer flight. I can control my jetlag much better on longer flights, -- they're important to me for keeping sane and healthy.

yes

I want to draw people's attention to this post: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24567034-post608.html

While it is noted that Sabre and Skyteam worked to develop the autopricing, the Sabre RTW/CT Quick Reference seems to apply to all alliances.
If TAs can now autoprice xONEx and CTs that would make life much easier. I need to play around with it tonight and see what I can do.

EDIT: I looks like it doesn't autoprice yet for *A or oneworld, but the functionality is there. I read another press release that stated they were working with the other alliances to add it to Sabre.

AAdvantage Qualifying Miles with Oneworld Explorer RTW
 

I read the wiki and searched the thread as well as read http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/6012968-post3.html. I'm still not 100% sure that the flights in my itinerary will count towards status. I think so, but can someone confirm?
Here is my itinerary all in economy (L):
AA DFW-LHR
BA LHR-BLR
Sri Lankan Airlines BLR-CMB-SIN
CX SIN-HKG
AA HKG-DFW

The link mentioned above (from 2005) doesn't list Sri Lankan Airlines. The wiki doesn't mention Sri Lankan Airlines either. I have an option to fly on Malaysian Airlines or Qatar Air instead, but with a less optimal time/connections.

I want (and need) the miles to count towards my AA status. Will it?

You need to look at the AA earning page for each airline - here https://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/e...lines/main.jsp

AA and BA earn at 100%
UL earns only 75% miles and half that for Elite Qualifying Points
CX earns nothing

And, by the way, are you seriously considering a RTW with only SIX (of the allowed 16) flights!!!

I hope not those ten segments are not being forgotten ...

OTOH SIN-HKG is almost short enough to ignore, though AA has code shares on 4 of the current 7 flights a day. Getting an AA code share SIN-NRT is also an option and then the AA flight into the USA.

If you have the time CMB-NRT-SIN-HKG would be an interesting side trip.

Happy wandering

Fred

Yes, because it is a business trip and I only need to hit those cities. I figured it would be cooler to fly around the world than there and back.

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So if I start an LONE4 in CAI and my next stop is SIN, I gather I must either
-go with BA CAI-LHR-SIN
-go RJ/QR CAI-AMM-DOH-SIN
as the direct flight CAI-DOH is not available because QR does not want to do ticketing?

Are costs much different choosing BA or RJ?

Is there any way to get QR to ticket an LONE4? If so, would it affect the itinerary cost?

Can AA ticket an itinerary starting in CAI if not leaving on CAI on AA? If so, could that reduce the cost?

Thanks

You can do CAI-DOH-... (and obviously this is the best option), but QR refuse to ticket it. Instead, you will need to ticket with another oneworld carrier such as BA or AA.

The reason the online tool does not work, is because it (for no good reason) decides that the first flight will be the ticketing carrier.

So you will need to speak to a real airline or travel agent to sort this out.

There is some allusion that the fuel surcharges may be calculated different between the carriers, but aside from rumours I have not seen any hard evidence that any particular carrier is always the most expensive ticketing carrier. Note that the fare must be bought from the ticketing desk inside the country for the lower fare to apply.

However, apparently BA ignores that requirement and will ticket it from their office in Newcastle, England. More details are upthread somewhere.

Is CAI still the best starting point for these DONE fares or is there another option these days?

JNB is good, as is TYO

Depends how far you want to position.

Also WDH and MPM

DONE4 Fare advice
 

hello all, just recently discovered this ticket and playing with some pricing options.

My ideal trip would be something like this. 4 continents, Business class. I live in France already so CDG is no problem, but am flexible on departure point.

CDG-DXB-DOH-MLE-CMB-SIN-KUL-PER-SYD-HNL-LAX-JFK-CDG

I originally plugged this into the OW RTW tool ex-LHR (as am BA EC) and it came out at £6200 + £1394 taxes each (£7594)

Aare there any latest guides on based fares ex EU or other cheaper departure points? thanks in advance..

Fares are flat within the EEA, except higher in the UK.

Cheapest starting point near you (by probably 50%) is CAI.

Interestingly even with starting in Cairo, it's cheaper for me to do an ex-EU to SYD, breaking in Asia on the outbound and in the GCC on the inbound, and then an ex-DUB to the USA, than it is to book a DONE4.

This is all due to the current sale fares, obviously. I'm sure that won't always be the case.

Sale?

Yes I found this, doing a DONE4/DONE5 was going to be more expensive than three separate Europe-originating trips.

AA is 'aving a laugh
 

Just called in to AA to change a DONE4 out of Joburg that was parked in Madrid.

Original: MAD-xDUS-LAX on IB and AB
New one: MAD-AY-xHEL-AY-xLHR-AA-LAX

RTW desk and ticketing asked for AA(YR) of $482 and another XX(YQ) of 224 (supposedly AY)!

I'm in the middle of nowhere right now and didn't have time to go back to redo all the flights, but will do so when I'm at my computer and can get the right flights and routing. So is AA really gone full BA?

Two out of three alliances now auto price in Sabre. Skyteam has been about to do so for a couple months. *A now works, leaving only OW.

Especially ironic since SABRE was a system specifically written for AA by IBM and used by AA for years.

Yes. Sabre recognizes the alliances codes now (*A, *O, and *S) so I figure it is only and matter time for OW to come on board. The original press release for RTW autopricing even mentioned all three alliances.

It should be noted that the rules of a xONEx seem to be a little more complicated than the pure mileage based RTWs from *A and SkyTeam

In that case, they should be able to add the other oneworld products in quickly.

tl;dr version: I suspect AA are treating LHR as a stopover for pricing purposes.


Searching on ITA for a biz one-way....

MAD-xDUS-LAX on IB then AB is the following on top of the base fare:
German Passenger Service Charge (RA) $20.30
AB YQ surcharge (YQ) $191.70
+ a bunch of spain and US taxes

MAD-xHEL-xLHR-LAX on AY then AA is the following on top of the base fare:
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $48.70
AA YR surcharge (YR) $206.40
Finland WL (WL) $5.70
Finland Air Transport Supervision Charge (XU) $1.40
+ the same bunch of spain and US taxes.

So adding in the $100 change fee and you'd expect about $150 to change.


Wondering how how much it would be with a stop on LHR...

MAD-xHEL-LHR on AY followed by LHR-LAX on AA with a stopover in LHR would be:
Finland WL (WL) $5.70
Finland Air Transport Supervision Charge (XU) $1.40
AY YR surcharge (YR) $54.10
+
United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) $218.10
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $64.60
AA YR surcharge (YR) $252.60
+ the same bunch of spain and US taxes.

Which would be more like $400 + $100 which is close to your $482.

I have just issued a OWE AONE3 from Tokyo and a meeting has just come up pushing my schedule one day back. I was meant to depart to HKG on Jun 17 and now I have to depart on Jun 18th on the same flight. Am I allowed to change the first segment before the ticket has even begun?

Yes, see the "PENALTIES" category in the fare rules

Much appreciated! Thanks a lot for your help.

DONE QY surcharges
 

Hi I have some similar questions as above as I issued a DONE a few months ago and now need to change some dates and cancel some sectors but they're saying it's going to be a fare difference.


It would be necessary to be re-calculated whole FARE / TAX,YQ,
Please kindly find the following details as we have checked the tax differences as of today.
- TAX : it is JPY 31,310 will be collected.
- The re-route charge of USD 125.00.
Grand Total = JPY46,810 (JPY 31,310 + JPY 15,500 (USD125.00)) as of today.

I had told them I wanted to cancel 3 sectors and change the dates of two of the last flights here:

1 CX 505D 19JUL NRTHKG HK1 1820 2210 *
2 CX 255Z 06AUG HKGLHR HL1 0035 0620
3 CX 255D 06AUG HKGLHR HK1 0035 0620 *
4 BA 676D 06AUG LHRIST HK1 1030 1620 *
5 BA 677D 09AUG ISTLHR HK1 1735 1935 *
6 BA1484D 12AUG LHRGLA HK1 1315 1435 *
7 BA1489D 16AUG GLALHR HK1 1530 1650 *
8 BA 181D 16AUG LHRJFK HK1 1900 2200 *
9 AA1443A 20AUG JFKBOS HK1 1225 1335 * (I would like to Cancel this sector)
10 AA 166A 24AUG BOSLAX HK1 0815 1140 *
11 AA 170A 28AUG LAXLAS HK1 1350 1511 *(I would like to Cancel this sector)
12 AA 23A 31AUG LASLAX HK1 2015 2143 *(I would like to Cancel this sector)
13 CX 881Z 01SEP LAXHKG HK1 0100 0645 (CHANGE FLIGHT TO AUG 26, CX 881)
14 CX 542D 20NOV HKGHND HK1 1620 2105 * (CHANGE FLIGHT TO SEP 25th CX542)
My question is what can I change without incurring the fuel surcharge? It's cheaper to reissue the whole ticket vs. making all these changes at this point. Any advice?

Chung

Removing or adding AA domestic flights should not affect the YQ calculation

????
Ticket reissue triggers TAX/surcharge recalculation for WHOLE ticket.
It means, if you drop an AA segment, surcharge for CX/BA segments are recalculated.

Furthermore,
LAX becomes a transit point to a stopover point.
I'm not sure about LAX airport tax difference between transit/stopover.

Yes, agreed. But all others being equal (if no change in currency exchange rates and no change in policy on taxation/fees anywhere), the taxes/surcharges should not change in that calculation.

That's what I meant, sorry my post was rather terse.

Although there is a substantial difference in the miles earned due to the air bonus miles for 2015 elite travel on D class fares as per http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/aadvantage-currency.jsp - the sales are I fares when on AA/US which get about 1/4 of the miles.

The difference can be significant. I'm on a DONE4 from JNB and should get over 100k in extra bonus miles.

Ok so it sounds like keeping the routing but changing the timing is fine. But canceling a sector recalculated be whole surcharge and tax situation. What if the cancellations happen after the first journey has started would that make the cancellations even more costly?