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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 23739862)
So I could book QF 3 SYDHNL as AA 7359, that would be sufficient? (Better for me actually as I get nearly twice the Avios points that way.)
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 23739749)
At this point my itinerary probably only includes HNL-LAX-PHX on AA. (For now I will assume that US flights don't qualify.)
I have a few US-operated flights and probably BA 2 that could conceivably be taken as codeshares with AA, if that makes any difference. (And indeed if codesharing is even permitted.) Most likely reason is that the intercontinental segments are worth more of the ticket cut then the intracontinental segments. (eg, the cut of the ticket price paid out to each airline for a JFK-LHR is more then a BOS-LAX flight) |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 23740759)
Most likely reason is that the intercontinental segments are worth more of the ticket cut then the intracontinental segments. (eg, the cut of the ticket price paid out to each airline for a JFK-LHR is more then a BOS-LAX flight)
but this brought to mind our experience two years ago: - used the AA RTW desk to set up our ex-KRT DONE4 tickets - paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each) - the only AA flight on the itinerary was its codeshare on RJ's AMM-JFK flight - just a few weeks later, there was a schedule change - and when AA changed the ticket, it quietly moved us off the AA codeshare onto the RJ marketed for that flight - I guess AA realised just how little it was going to make off that flight:D - so we ended up with the ticket on AA stock, with no AA segments at all! |
Hi all, I have priced out an LONEX ex-Australia for May 2015, and I am looking for any obvious savings or better routings/carriers for logging miles to American (unless there is a way to log to Alaska?), plus assistance with a couple niggling problems. I am open to changing all routes, my primary itinerary is MEL, SCL(IPC), LON, SIN, HKG, MEL, with a lot of surface travel on each continent.
MEL-SYD QF SYD-SCL QF (Cannot find any flights when I try MEL-SCL, also hard to find availability SYD-SCL without hitting North America) SCL-IPC LAN IPC SCL LAN SAO-LON BA IST-DOH QR DOH-SIN QR HKG-MEL CX Total USD$4635, 11 segments. If there were a country in eastern Asia with a significantly cheaper base fare I would be happy to book from there instead. (I am actually starting in Seattle, will fly to my start point). This fare was generated by creating the itinerary directly at rtw.oneworld.com - I did notice that after I opened the rtw tool through Qantas.com, the base fare on my existing open tab jumped by about $1500. When I opened a new browser and reopened my saved itinerary, it showed the original price. What is going on there, Qantas fees getting hidden in there? Is this what it will charge me when I actually put in my CC#? (summary page with qantas logo showed cheaper fare). Sao Paulo - I am not attached to this over Rio, but it seemed easier to find availability to London. I can switch the BA flight to TAM for ~$250 less fees, don't know if that's worth it - seems to be a fair amount of complaining about TAM? I would like to add a flight from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo but for some reason Porto Alegre does not show up in the booking tool (although it is shown in the Oneworld Timetables app…?). I will be making a few short-haul flights around both Europe and Asia during my surface segments but I haven't got specific destinations yet and expect it will be cheaper to buy them separately anyway. (eg adding London-Geneva adds USD$110, I'm confident I can book that for less). thanks for any suggestions! |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23739729)
Yes, such changes are free of charge. However the airline making the change is allowed to charge a service fee (I know QF does charge this, and I also know AA does not charge it)
There is a special rule regarding changing the first segment (before departure obviously) - but other than that, changes to date/time/oneworld carrier are free of charge |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23740810)
Yes, I agree
but this brought to mind our experience two years ago: - used the AA RTW desk to set up our ex-KRT DONE4 tickets - paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each) - the only AA flight on the itinerary was its codeshare on RJ's AMM-JFK flight - just a few weeks later, there was a schedule change - and when AA changed the ticket, it quietly moved us off the AA codeshare onto the RJ marketed for that flight - I guess AA realised just how little it was going to make off that flight:D - so we ended up with the ticket on AA stock, with no AA segments at all! |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23740810)
- paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each)
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Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23741835)
That is an exceptionally good price for a DONEx ticket :)
Bought it in October 2012. On Nov 1st the price went through the roof:( The base fare for a DONE4 was SDG14700 (approx USD2600) Of course, you realise we had to go to KRT to start the journey! Edited to add: Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700) Makes me want to weep |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23742217)
Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away
The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700) Makes me want to weep Just paid for my ex-JNB DONE6 ticket this morning with the AA GSA in Cape Town. EDIT: What has happened to xONEx tickets out of KRT (other than going to Sudan perhaps not being a good idea at the moment)? I can't see any xONEx tickets at all ex-KRT. I can see xONEWCx tickets though with a DONEWC4 at $2579 and Air Berlin is the only airline coming up with a price. Edit 2: It seems to be OK to go to Khartoum with the unsafe areas located to the west and south. With a DONEWC4 at $2579 I think I can see a future holiday in Sudan coming up........ |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23742217)
Correction. That was a very, very good price for a DONE4
Bought it in October 2012. On Nov 1st the price went through the roof:( The base fare for a DONE4 was SDG14700 (approx USD2600) Of course, you realise we had to go to KRT to start the journey! Edited to add: Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700) Makes me want to weep |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 23739862)
So I could book QF 3 SYDHNL as AA 7359, that would be sufficient? (Better for me actually as I get nearly twice the Avios points that way.)
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 23744020)
You might not be able to book the AA code on the QF flight if you're stopping over in Hawaii. Strange things, codeshares. Nonetheless I suspect you'll have no problems with AA issuing the ticket. I've had AA-issued DONExs that only contained domestic AA segments, nothing over-water. No big.
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Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 23743322)
No it didn't. It is gone now, but did not go away when you state it did. :D
But IIRC, the first inter-continental flight had to be with Air Berlin:) AB still publishes xONEWC fares out of KRT, but how to book them is the challenge And, at least according to EF, no other airlines publish RTW or multi-continent fares ex-KRT |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23746001)
You are right, I had forgotten that;)
But IIRC, the first inter-continental flight had to be with Air Berlin:) AB still publishes xONEWC fares out of KRT, but how to book them is the challenge And, at least according to EF, no other airlines publish RTW or multi-continent fares ex-KRT I have called AB and they do not issue the tickets in question, they will refer you to the online tool for xONEx and don't know what the xONEWC are. Maybe someone who spoke German would have better luck, but it didn't sound as though AB had a dedicated RTW desk or anyone that understood the fares. Hence the pricing irregularities. :D |
DONEWC3
Greetings,
I know that OneWorld have previously viewed a JNB-LHR-DXB/HKG (transit) - SYD-JNB as a DONEWC4 ticket. Have they updated their terms and conditions to reflect it as a DONEWC3? I am making my travel plans for the next few weeks and the price will shape the flights I need to take, I don't feel like paying for a 4th continent if I am solely in transit. Regards, |
Originally Posted by 747-444
(Post 23747833)
Greetings,
I know that OneWorld have previously viewed a JNB-LHR-DXB/HKG (transit) - SYD-JNB as a DONEWC4 ticket. Have they updated their terms and conditions to reflect it as a DONEWC3? I am making my travel plans for the next few weeks and the price will shape the flights I need to take, I don't feel like paying for a 4th continent if I am solely in transit. Regards, (particularly annoying now that one can fly non-stop DXB-SYD/MEL or DOH-PER/MEL without even 'touching' Asia. Here's the (unchanged) wording in the current fare rules PHP Code:
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23746001)
AB still publishes xONEWC fares out of KRT, but how to book them is the challenge
And, at least according to EF, no other airlines publish RTW or multi-continent fares ex-KRT Edit: just saw later reply indicating AB don't know what a xONEWCx is. |
Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23748345)
Can you not just turn up at an Air Berlin office with a self-generated xONEWCx itinerary which meets the fare rules and ask them to issue the ticket? Qatar appears to fly KRT-DOH so it is possible to leave KRT on a OW airline.
Since AB does not fly to KRT, it has no office there (or GSA as far as I can tell) and if you were to turn up at one of its office elsewhere, you would then be subject to the rule: WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH A SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARE IS PUBLISHED AND THE TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE WILL BE THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE AT THE BANK SELLING RATE. THE RESULTANT FARE MUST NOT BE LOWER THAN THAT FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE. Edit: just saw later reply indicating AB don't know what a xONEWCx is. I feel pretty sure that if you asked them to ticket you an ex-Germany AONEWC4 (base price EUR12977) then they'd pretty darn quickly learn about such tickets;) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23748483)
Since AB does not fly to KRT, it has no office there (or GSA as far as I can tell) and if you were to turn up at one of its office elsewhere, you would then be subject to the rule: So purchase in say Germany then you pay the German price (because it is higher than the Sudan price) |
Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23742646)
Edit 2: It seems to be OK to go to Khartoum with the unsafe areas located to the west and south.
When we spent our few days in KRT, in April 2013, just about everybody else in the hotel were aid workers - either heading in to Darfur, which is in the West, or heading out. We got friendly with a young Canadian guy who worked for the World Food Program (IIRC). His 3-month tour of duty in Darfur was over, he was in town for a couple of days of de-briefing, and then he said he was off to Amsterdam and he was going to party, party, party:D South Sudan is now a separate country; and yes it is having its troubles at the moment. Just by the way, if you do go there - we found everybody very welcoming and helpful (typical arab/muslim hospitality to strangers); we walked the streets near our hotel in the evenings and felt completely safe. Even the traffic wasn't too bad; way better than Cairo! |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23748537)
When we spent our few days in KRT, in April 2013, just about everybody else in the hotel were aid workers - either heading in to Darfur, which is in the West, or heading out. We got friendly with a young Canadian guy who worked for the World Food Program (IIRC). His 3-month tour of duty in Darfur was over, he was in town for a couple of days of de-briefing, and then he said he was off to Amsterdam and he was going to party, party, party:D South Sudan is now a separate country; and yes it is having its troubles at the moment. Just by the way, if you do go there - we found everybody very welcoming and helpful (typical arab/muslim hospitality to strangers); we walked the streets near our hotel in the evenings and felt completely safe. Even the traffic wasn't too bad; way better than Cairo! |
Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23748501)
Hmmm, so presumably it could still work if you found a travel agent in Khartoum who could issue an Air Berlin xONEWCx ticket. And wiring a few thousand dollars to a random travel agent in Sudan, there's not much with could go wrong with that ;)
LOL Come to think of it, the place we stayed at was called The German Guest House, and had a travel desk* there... So you never know - google them and send them an email * we considered hiring a car and driver for a day trip out to the Sudanese Pyramids, North of the city. But in the end Mrs pandaperth wasn't comfortable with that |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 23748557)
Did you happen to meet any trustworthy and highly competent travel agents? ;)
See the post above The people who ran things in the hotel were, IMO and experience, completely trustworthy We also had dealings with the RJ office "downtown" and they were highly competent and friendly. But I'm sure they wouldn't be selling you a ticket on AB stock:) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23748573)
See the post above The people who ran things in the hotel were, IMO and experience, completely trustworthy We also had dealings with the RJ office "downtown" and they were highly competent and friendly. But I'm sure they wouldn't be selling you a ticket on AB stock:) |
Current cheapest premium tickets, A/DONE - A/DONEWC?
Hi All,
I am looking for the cheapest countries to start a DONE/AONE/AONEWC/DONEWC. What are currently the cheapest countries to depart from? Regards, |
Originally Posted by 747-444
(Post 23749467)
Hi All,
I am looking for the cheapest countries to start a DONE/AONE/AONEWC/DONEWC. What are currently the cheapest countries to depart from? Regards, |
I just priced out an LONEX starting in MEL for USD$4635, 11 segments. I did this at rtw.oneworld.com. Then I happened to go to qantas.com and click through their rtw link to the same page, which re-opened my existing itinerary and priced it $1500 higher on the base fare: at this point, the price in my already opened tab updated also $1500 higher! I opened a different browser and re-priced it going directly to the tool, and got the original fare (I went through to the cc details page). What on earth is going on there, does this just get added on in some kind of lousy qantas 'fees'?
Unrelated question: I can save about $250 in tax/fees if I fly TAM from Sao Paulo/Rio to London instead of BA. Is there a noticeably different experience in Y? The TAM forums sound pretty negative. Third question - I tried posting this two days ago and got a message saying "moderators need to approve your post" then it never showed up. How's that work? |
Originally Posted by jacalata
(Post 23750676)
Third question - I tried posting this two days ago and got a message saying "moderators need to approve your post" then it never showed up. How's that work?
Gardyloo Oneworld moderator |
Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 23750896)
I must have missed it, but have allowed it now. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Originally Posted by jacalata
(Post 23750676)
I just priced out an LONEX starting in MEL for USD$4635, 11 segments. I did this at rtw.oneworld.com. Then I happened to go to qantas.com and click through their rtw link to the same page, which re-opened my existing itinerary and priced it $1500 higher on the base fare: at this point, the price in my already opened tab updated also $1500 higher! I opened a different browser and re-priced it going directly to the tool, and got the original fare
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Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23751175)
xONEx price in the currency of the country of origin, in this case AUD. You quote USD, are you sure you have not made a mistake with you currency?
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Originally Posted by jacalata
(Post 23751326)
Yes, sorry - I was trying ex-MEL and ex-ICN, so converted all the prices into USD for my comparisons. The price was presented in AUD - I think it went from about AUD$5100 to AUD$6600.
LONE4 3,899 LONE5 4,499 LONE6 5,199 Tokyo is a cheaper departure point than Korea. |
Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23752234)
LONEx fares are seasonal. For 14/Jan/15 departure they are in AUD ex-Australia
LONE4 3,899 LONE5 4,499 LONE6 5,199 Tokyo is a cheaper departure point than Korea. |
Originally Posted by jacalata
(Post 23750676)
I just priced out an LONEX starting in MEL for USD$4635, 11 segments. I did this at rtw.oneworld.com. Then I happened to go to qantas.com and click through their rtw link to the same page, which re-opened my existing itinerary and priced it $1500 higher on the base fare: at this point, the price in my already opened tab updated also $1500 higher! I opened a different browser and re-priced it going directly to the tool, and got the original fare (I went through to the cc details page). What on earth is going on there, does this just get added on in some kind of lousy qantas 'fees'?
When you priced it out on rtw.oneworld.com which airline did you have for your first flight? That airline would be your ticketing carrier and so it gets to choose which surcharges (for the other airlines in the itinerary) it collects off you and which it doesn't. If Qantas is the first carrier, then it gets to choose - and it likes to collect lots of surcharges. I once did a mini-investigation of this - see this post http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13347190-post20.html (warning: figures will no longer be valid) When you priced it through Qantas.com did you change the first carrier to be Qantas (or was it already Qantas)? It might be that setting the ticket up through qantas.com results in QF doing the ticketing even if it is not the first carrier. Will be interesting to investigate this... |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23753073)
Will be interesting to investigate this... First investigation
Edited to add: Second investigation
Mmmm |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 23752915)
They used to be seasonal (and the fare basis code was different for high season). They haven't been for some times.
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Originally Posted by creampuff
(Post 23754471)
Oh - When did they change? I remember in 2000 I bought a LONEx which was seasonal. But I guess 2000 was a long time ago ;)
The next copy I have is March-2012, and all seasonal fares had gone by then Narrows it down a bit;) |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 23753436)
I will add the second investigation shortly (it will navigate through the qantas.com web site to the tool in order to see if there is any difference)
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My DONE6 ex-JNB has now been ticketed. Thanks for help everybody :)
Now I better do some OT to actually be able to afford 7 months off. |
Originally Posted by Himeno
(Post 23754536)
The times that I've clicked through to the booking tool via the QF website, it still goes to the oneworld site tool, it just has QF branding instead. I haven't noticed any other difference.
But see my Second Investigation in post#875 above - Qantas DOES increase the price |
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