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nufnuf77 Aug 14, 2025 4:23 am


Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 37256053)
As per some of my replies in between this one -

It seems (by some miracle) that BA have finally changed my dates as requested. My QF64 Flight from JNB - SYD with a next day connection to Perth on QF has now been changed to same day QF64/FJ5252 (JNB-SYD-PER) and shows up as confirmed on BA - on manage my booking on the Qantas site the flights show up as JNB-PER. My receipt has ticket numbers so I am guessing all is in order.

No change fees or any repricing was done for this change or the previous one (when I changed the date and carrier on AKL-JFK).

I guess things will go quiet until around the Dec timeframe when I will make a series of changes to add in new dates for all my US flights (all 6 of them) as well as my trip home to the UK for Christmas (Dec 2026)

P.S. I am still seeking a solution for finding out why EF shows D availability on Qantas (for instance on the Syd to Per routing) but BA cannot see it (says there is none). Regardless of PoS (which I think does not matter these days) why would this be. This would seem to be some error on BA's part as (per the above), When I got the FJ code share booked FJ codeshare showed D5 in EF and the QF actual flight number showed D7 - BA could see the FJ D availability hence my booking but none on the QF number - and there are many flights to PER from SYD but BA can see D on only one of these flights for the numerous days I checked despite EF showing wide open in D on all of them.

The availability would have to do with married segments and POC (point of commencement) of the fare. individual flight might have D class but the GDS looks at rest of PNR and shows you real availability based on flights BEFORE and AFTER the segment in question.

izzik Aug 14, 2025 6:09 am


Originally Posted by spherehopper (Post 37261738)
I've just booked a DONE4 and thought hard about where to credit the points. I originally thought Matt's idea best but as AY requires 80k for Emerald vs BA Gold at 20k. Best earning rates away from the host airline is going to be, for BA, 50% (EI, AY, JL, QR etc) so 40k miles needed (hiding fare from AA/BA by using codeshares on their legs). Best rate on Finnair is 250% on the "FAIB4" so 32k miles needed.

Actually it's not 32k for AY+ because of the elite tier bonus that you eventually get as you attain different status levels.
If you are starting from 0, it's roughly 30k on the 250% partners and 25.6k to retain platinum. That's all without converting avios to tier points 3:1.

Also, the BA bonus tier points is a temporary promotion at the moment... Without any guarantee of extension.

In the end,it really depends on where you want to go..but the key is marketing carrier codes. Also, a minor detail but I would not get too focused on "hiding the revenue from airlines" as that assumption can lead to incorrect conclusions about other things.

Nimrod1965 Aug 14, 2025 10:53 am


Originally Posted by BMarkus (Post 37261672)
No, I'm not. The original question was who was first spend based. AY or BA.

Thank you


Mwenenzi Aug 14, 2025 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by spherehopper (Post 37261738)
I've just booked a DONE4 and thought hard about where to credit the points. I originally thought Matt's idea best but as AY requires 80k for Emerald vs BA Gold at 20k. Best earning rates away from the host airline is going to be, for BA, 50% (EI, AY, JL, QR etc) so 40k miles needed (hiding fare from AA/BA by using codeshares on their legs). Best rate on Finnair is 250% on the "FAIB4" so 32k miles needed.
<snip>
I needed to add two more separate trips to obtain the itinerary I wanted (CHC-AKL-NAN and LHR-FCO-LHR side trip) and get a top up of NTPs with BA's current offer. Altogether, the RTW plus attachments has me earning 21k NTPs on BA for 34.7 UK pence per NTP. Plus the holiday of a lifetime in decent seats.
<snip>

FJ fly CHC NAN non stop as well from WLG & AKL. From CHC may be date dependent.
QF does not fly CHC AKL, but JQ does. So you are relying on the QF codeshare on JQ. As JQ is not a OW airline will not earn to any OW ffp, other than the QF ffp. JQ is a low cost airline and will not interline bags.


4. FLIGHT APPLICATION / ROUTINGS

(j) Travel on any AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/FJ/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/WY codeshare service operated by
AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/FJ/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/WY is permitted.


Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by
Jetstar (JQ).


DY444 Aug 15, 2025 9:10 am

I'm getting an error I don't understand from the infamous OW website RTW planner

Your trip may include two stopovers over 24 hours in the continent where your journey started. If your itinerary includes both of these in your country of origin, one must be outbound and the other inbound. Additional stopovers under 24 hours are permitted in your itinerary. Please select a different date or flight.

I do indeed have 2 stopovers over 24hrs in my continent of origin, one at LHR and the other at DOH (highlighted) but I thought that was allowed.

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-DOH-LHRx-OSL

By contrast, this shortened itinerary with only one stopover in Europe is accepted

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-OSL

Please could someone explain the error of my ways. Many thanks.

link2 Aug 15, 2025 9:17 am


Originally Posted by DY444 (Post 37264385)
I'm getting an error I don't understand from the infamous OW website RTW planner

Your trip may include two stopovers over 24 hours in the continent where your journey started. If your itinerary includes both of these in your country of origin, one must be outbound and the other inbound. Additional stopovers under 24 hours are permitted in your itinerary. Please select a different date or flight.

I do indeed have 2 stopovers over 24hrs in my continent of origin, one at LHR and the other at DOH (highlighted) but I thought that was allowed.

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-DOH-LHRx-OSL

By contrast, this shortened itinerary with only one stopover in Europe is accepted

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-OSL

Please could someone explain the error of my ways. Many thanks.

If you entered OSL-xLHR-MIA as two segments in the form, the tool assumes that what you meant is actually OSL-LHR-MIA with a stopover in LHR. You need to enter just OSL-MIA. (which is a bit of a problem if you want to force a longer stopover - I really don't recommend using the tool)

DY444 Aug 15, 2025 9:21 am


Originally Posted by link2 (Post 37264404)
If you entered OSL-xLHR-MIA as two segments in the form, the tool assumes that what you meant is actually OSL-LHR-MIA with a stopover in LHR. You need to enter just OSL-MIA. (which is a bit of a problem if you want to force a longer stopover - I really don't recommend using the tool)

Ah thank you. That makes sense now. After playing around with it all afternoon I agree with your recommendation!

flyhurl Aug 15, 2025 9:36 am

Will it let you go forward?
 

Originally Posted by DY444 (Post 37264385)
I'm getting an error I don't understand from the infamous OW website RTW planner

Your trip may include two stopovers over 24 hours in the continent where your journey started. If your itinerary includes both of these in your country of origin, one must be outbound and the other inbound. Additional stopovers under 24 hours are permitted in your itinerary. Please select a different date or flight.

I do indeed have 2 stopovers over 24hrs in my continent of origin, one at LHR and the other at DOH (highlighted) but I thought that was allowed.

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-DOH-LHRx-OSL

By contrast, this shortened itinerary with only one stopover in Europe is accepted

OSL-LHRx-MIA-SFO-DFW-ICN-HKG-SIN-LHR-OSL

Please could someone explain the error of my ways. Many thanks.

I think I have seen that. Will it let you continue picking flights? I have seen that error or similar but was able to just go forward picking flights and at the end the tool had the right no. of segments and stops and did price out.

Good luck!

DY444 Aug 15, 2025 10:13 am


Originally Posted by flyhurl (Post 37264463)
I think I have seen that. Will it let you continue picking flights? I have seen that error or similar but was able to just go forward picking flights and at the end the tool had the right no. of segments and stops and did price out.

Good luck!

Thanks. Link2 was spot on with what the problem was and so I'm up and running again.

The issue occurred in the itinerary section and it wouldn't let me proceed to the flights section until I'd corrected it. It did let me freely edit the itinerary though.

siw Aug 16, 2025 9:22 am

Is it possible to enforce a break in the city to city route with a gap?

I am wanting to cover a bit of South America, but oneworld has no presence. So trying to fly into SCL or EZE and out of UIO (or vice versa) and considering filling the bit between SCL/EZE and UIO outside of the OW RTW ticket, but the online planner is not letting me. My intended RTW is proving difficult to put together.

Thanks.

spherehopper Aug 16, 2025 9:45 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37262982)
FJ fly CHC NAN non stop as well from WLG & AKL. From CHC may be date dependent.
QF does not fly CHC AKL, but JQ does. So you are relying on the QF codeshare on JQ. As JQ is not a OW airline will not earn to any OW ffp, other than the QF ffp. JQ is a low cost airline and will not interline bags.

We're flying MEL-CHC on the last leg of the DONE4 before it open jaws. Staying in CHC then loco (JQ) to AKL for couple of days, then AKL-PPT (already bought QF coded Air Tahiti Y ticket). Then a cruise PPT-NAN then back on to continue the rest of the DONE4 RTW from NAN-LAX etc.

izzik Aug 16, 2025 10:01 am


Originally Posted by siw (Post 37266317)
Is it possible to enforce a break in the city to city route with a gap?

I am wanting to cover a bit of South America, but oneworld has no presence. So trying to fly into SCL or EZE and out of UIO (or vice versa) and considering filling the bit between SCL/EZE and UIO outside of the OW RTW ticket, but the online planner is not letting me. My intended RTW is proving difficult to put together.

Thanks.

The online tool is the problem.
It is not the gold standard on what is permissible.

spherehopper Aug 16, 2025 10:07 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 37266389)
The online tool is the problem.
It is not the gold standard on what is permissible.

Too true. I'm flying LAX-ANC-JFK-LAX-DFW-MSY as in real life ticketing DONEX doesn't view ANC-JFK as a transcontinental sector so I can go back there on the way to MSY (on a flat bed) to crank up the miles. JL codeshare for 50% credit to BAC too.

jagmeets Aug 16, 2025 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by DY444 (Post 37264546)

The issue occurred in the itinerary section and it wouldn't let me proceed to the flights section until I'd corrected it. It did let me freely edit the itinerary though.

(I think better for one of the other threads- mods, please do move).
Did you have the ‘Choose Flights’ grayed out?

Try this: add an extra segment at the end (the + button). Delete the extra segment & immediately click ‘Choose Flights’- it gets ungrayed for a bit when you remove the extra segment..

I’ve had success pushing through an exJP which initially showed the ‘more than 2 stopovers in continent of Origin’ error- I had needed to input both legs (A-B, and B-C) of a transit because the preferred flights weren’t showing up in an A-C search even with preferred airline etc set.

DY444 Aug 17, 2025 12:24 am


Originally Posted by jagmeets (Post 37266726)
(I think better for one of the other threads- mods, please do move).
Did you have the ‘Choose Flights’ grayed out?

Try this: add an extra segment at the end (the + button). Delete the extra segment & immediately click ‘Choose Flights’- it gets ungrayed for a bit when you remove the extra segment..

I’ve had success pushing through an exJP which initially showed the ‘more than 2 stopovers in continent of Origin’ error- I had needed to input both legs (A-B, and B-C) of a transit because the preferred flights weren’t showing up in an A-C search even with preferred airline etc set.

Yes it was grayed out. Thanks for the tip I'll give it a try


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