HA flights post-22APR2026 are considered prime AS flights and can already be booked in xONEx. At least this is allowed on when autopriced by Sabre. The flight information of these flights shows "ONEWORLD," too.

360 days on Amadeus but some airlines (such as BA) have a slightly shorter release period.

Once Alaska AS took over Hawaiian Airlines HA as an airline does not exist. Always found it strange oneworld stated HA would join oneworld. To me more that AS schedules~routes would expand greatly with the former HA operations fully integrated into the AS. HA as such does not join oneworld.

From what I have read there is now 1 airline operating certificate, with all flights AS prime flight numbers. The “join” date seems to correlate with the IATA seasons. Maybe when they turn off the HA reservation system and add all HA flights to the AS reservation system.

From a legal perspective, yes all HA flights are treated as AS flights now, but the HA flights are not AS prime flights yet from a reservation and ticketing point of view. These AS*/HA flights are AS8xxx (4 digits) now and are not considered oneworld yet. They will become AS8xx (3 digits) on 22APR and then consdered oneworld flights.

I don't know why AS/HA chose to set the effective date on 22APR, but that is indeed the date HA will switch back from Amadeus to Sabre. It is NOT the date that marks the IATA season change, which is 29MAR in 2026, nor is it the date North American daylight saving will start. HA used to be on Sabre, like AS, but chose to migrate to Amadeus just not so long before the AS merger. On hindsight, the effort was definitely wasted.

Thank you so much for everyone's help! I got the ticket priced and purchased with TA.LAS-HNL I have to break it to LAS-LAX-HNL, I am wondering if I can "re-route" it after April 2026, to a direct LAS-HNL. But the price is good, I am not complaining :)

By April 2026 are you referring to HA?
Previously when an airline left or joined oneworld you were locked into the rules(~airlines) in place at the time. That was good or bad, depending on point of view. So could not use "new" airlines.
Always considered it strange OW considered HA as a "new" airline. For HA to me its not a "new" airline as such, but a step increase in AS routes. HA as an airline has ceased to exist.

You can already book LAS-HNL on AS code after 22APR. Why wait? In fact, if you are still within a day and can void the ticket, I would simply change the routing to LAS-HNL now, so you can free up 1 sector and save the 125USD re-route fee.

To demonstrate, AS875/24OCT/LASHNL, for example, can already be priced in xONEx.

I assume "TA" means Travel Agent, in which case would you mind revealing who you used? I'm attempting to stock-pile a list of viable purchasing options for future reference. Many thanks.

I used Amex travel ;)

Thanks

Oh! How much do they charge for booking, date changes and re-routes?

Hello everyone,

I'm researching a DONE4 RTW trip for my honeymoon. I tried to get in contact with Propeller Travel and paid the £50 fee for their RTW planning service, but it's been 10 days and I haven't had a response, so I thought I'd ask for some assistance from this board. Below is our current itinerary, which prices up as 57,959 NOK fare + 19,065 NOK in taxes = 77,024 NOK. I'm trying to figure out a few things:

1. Are there any red flags in terms of code choices that could reduce the taxes a little? Or do codeshares not affect the taxes, only the metal flown? We'd also be interested in taking the Qantas flight SYD-JFK (via AKL) instead of AA, but doing so seems to increase the fees substantially.
2. I'd be aiming to credit to BAEC - should I try to use an agent that will book the AA transpacific / transatlantic legs with a QR, or other, code?
3. Pending the above answers, is the AA RTW desk the best port of call to book this itinerary? I'm unable to book OSL-DOH as the first flight using the OneWorld tool as noted in the wiki etc. We are also going to likely push out the final legs (from ANU-JFK onwards) into 2027, and add another US round trip which I think would be permitted still as segments 15 and 16 (including DPS-SIN as a ground segment).

Really appreciate any guidance anyone can provide - thanks.

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1 QR 176 10SEP OSL DOH
2 QR 962 11SEP DOH DPS

3 QF 54 18SEP SIN BNE

4 QF1592 22SEP BNE HTI
5 QF 579 27SEP HTI SYD

6 QF 728 30SEP SYD AYQ
7 QF 729 02OCT AYQ SYD

8 AA 72 05OCT SYD LAX
9 AA 307 05OCT LAX JFK

10 AA1749 08NOV JFK ANU
11 AA1359 12NOV ANU JFK

12 AA 100 19NOV JFK LHR
13 BA 774 21NOV LHR OSL

What I figured out and as far as I know also Matt explained it in his video. As soon as you have any QF flights the prices take jump upwards. So I tried to avoid them as much as possible. Maybe you can move your SIN - BNE flight to something going towards SYD or MEL on another airline. As you want to credit to BAC then you might fly via BKK to MEL on AY?

QF are reputed to pile on the charges like they're going out of style so you might want to investigate alternatives for SIN-BNE for example. I don't know anything about other Australian domestic carriers but it might also be worthwhile looking into options with them outside the xONEx ticket for the internal Australia legs rather than using QF.

You seem to confusing real taxes, as paid to government and regulatory authorities, and carrier surcharges (YQ YR). Real taxes are they same for all carriers on the same routes/class of travel. Can/will be different real taxes for stopovers (+24hrs) vs transits

Domestic airlines in Australia are QF Qantas, VA Virgin Australia, REX and JQ Jetstar (LLC owned by QF). And some very small regional airlines.

Depends on the point of origin and even ticketing carrier. I realize the poster you replied to was asking about an ex-OSL, and that point of origin is fully exposed to high YQ / YR, ex-TYO is not. You can have long haul QF codes on ex-TYO without much effect on price. I have done it on both QF issued and CX issued tickets. There are also some ticketing carriers that don't add YQ / YR for all OW carriers, so even ex-OSL you might be able to get away with QF codes without the high cost if you ticket with a travel agent and target certain plating carriers.

There are nuances to reducing carrier charges, that why an experienced TA can be well worth their fees

For example, having the last segment of an xONEx marketed and operated by a particular carrier may remove much of the YQ/YR charged by a different carrier on other segments of an itinerary.

sounds tricky.. ;)

Another vote for NufNuf who has just rejigged my RTW ticket. The DONE4 is now rerouted OSL-LHR-HND-SIN-NRT-MEL-CHC//NAN-LAX-BOS-ORD-LAX-LIR-LAX-LHR-DOH-OSL.

With codeshare booking, this should earn 20,038 with TPs to BA. I've got a couple of other bookings prior to and during this ticket that will add another 660 TPs so well in the bracket for BAC Gold at the end of this trip.

He worked hard not only on the routing but for sensible transfer times at airports (minimise chance of lost bags whilst avoiding 8+ hours at LAX etc). The bold indicates stopovers with a minimum of 3 days. Since I live in the UK, the DOH trip is actually 3 months after we get back from the main RTW journey so it's almost like a free bit of late autumn warmth.

I've already been warned about JL setting cabin temps at 26C/80F so travelling in shorts/t shirt on those sectors!

Wait what? AMEX travel? They will book a RTW for you?

Quick question for the experts - is a surface sector permitted as the first and/or last segments of an Explorer fare so long as it is either a. within the country of origin b. within the Middle East c. between the United States and Canada d. between HKG and China e. between Malaysia and SIN f. within Africa or g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India?

Even though the rules use that terminology, it is not in practice a "Surface Sector" that counts as part of the 16 allowed .

The booking merely starts and ends in different locations in compliance with the fare's rules i.e. 4(c).

I have seen 16 segments booked from XXX-()-YYY with YYY-XXX not part of the routing.

Reduce YQ/YR on RTW
 

Hey serfty, I am about to complete my 1st DONE4 next month. Last three legs are HKG-JNB-DOH-OSL. Prepping for #2 RTW and was hoping you can cite a couple of examples for final segment that could lessen the YQ YR on some/all legs of a RTW. Or conversely, what carrier to avoid for final leg. Cheers

maybe consider paying a travel agent, as suggested?

Having used a TA to book my DONE3, and having been told that they didn't know exactly why I had more than £1,500 in YQ etc., I wouldn't assume that all TAs are built the same. So any answers to this question would be really helpful, including for those of us who already pay TAs, and could perhaps better guide them on future bookings.

Hi
I am planning a RTW ticket and not sure if the following is a bug in the system or in my understanding. The following prices without issue
OSL-HEL-DFW-EZE-JFK-HND-SIN-HKG-AKL-NAN-MEL-BKK-LGW - (surface) -LHR-LCA-LHR-OSL = 16 segments (bold = stopover)
However attempting to swap the BKK-LGW + surface = 2 segments to BKK-HEL-LHR = 2 segments brings up the
"Your itinerary exceeds the 34,000 mile limit on a Business or First class booking. To finalise your itinerary, please reduce the length of your trip." error
From what I can see both options should be equivalent from a segment point of view and the routing via HEL is not adding any stopover.
Can anyone see an issue or is this a bug?

Edit:
Interestingly I just tried some other BKK-LHR options and swapping to BKK-KUL-LHR will price as will BKK-HKG-LHR and BKK-CMB-LHR but via DOH, MCT or HEL error

If I understand correctly your revised routing would have OSL-HEL as your first flight and HEL-LHR-LCA-LHR-OSL as your final flights. The error will be due to having five European flight sectors when you are only permitted four.

Edited to add: Transferring in KUL/HKG/CMB between BKK and LHR removes the fifth European sector hence why it prices up.

The 34,000 mile limit is for the Global Explorer. But can show on screen as a false error message when booking the continent based no mile limit Oneworld explorer. Software would be better if just stated "error".

That becomes OSL-HEL-DFW-EZE-JFK-HND-SIN-HKG-AKL-NAN-MEL-BKK-HEL-LHR-LCA-LHR-OSL
That has 5 segments in EU/ME. Only allowed 4. Surface segments count in the 16 total, but not in the continent count.
Only allowed 2 stopover in continent of origin: EU/ME.

As Franky The Anorak has pointed out, your proposed itinerary has too many flight segments in Europe for it to be a valid Oneworld Explorer.
Oneworld Explorers are limited to four flight segments per continent (six for North America).

On the other hand, Global Explorers do not have limits on flight segments per continent - instead they have limits on stopovers per continent (maximum of four per continent except for the continent of origin (where only two are allowed)).
Because you have five flight segments but only two stopovers in the continent, the tool tried to make it a Global Explorer but then ran up against the 34,000 mile limit on business class Global Explorers.
For once the tool was correct!

ETA
FYI this old thread points out the main differences between the two RTW products.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...rld-explo.html

Thanks all,
not realising that the surface segment is not assigned to a continent meant I did a simple 2 segment vs 2 segment comparison and didn't think to check segments per continent.
I have also found out that my understanding of revenue vs mileage for AY flights when ticketed by another carrier seems to be wrong so will be needing to rethink my use of AY. A shame as I do like them.

As a follow on to my previous post yesterday, I have been looking for AA codeshares in Asia. I can find some e.g. AA 8486 from BKK to HND operated by JAL. Can these codeshares be used if they are not immediately followed/preceded by a trans-pacific flight. I'm not sure if they are available independantly or if the agreement between AA and JAL is to allow more destinations to/from US and hence carry additional constraints on usage.
So far I've found AA codeshares with JAL/Cathay for BKK, SIN, CGK, ICN, SGN and DPS but nothing in Australia or NZ

The rules for AA codeshares may vary by country. Ask the AA RTW desk. They would be keen on AA codeshares, as would maximize the AA share of the ticket.
If crediting to AAdvantage AA codeshares may not be the best for AA earnings. Need to do calculations .
Link--> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...age-miles.html

QF has some AA codeshares in Australia and trans Tasman (AU<--NZ). Guess will be for flights that could connect to AA long haul services.
Nothing in NZ as QF or any oneworld airlines do not operate in NZ. QF has some codeshares with Jetstar JQ NZ (LCC owned by QF), which are OK for *ONE* and GLOB* tickets

I'm not a ticket expert but what seemed to work for me was checking if the route was bookable on the desired codeshare airline's website. So for example if you want to fly from A to B with an AA flight number then see if you can book the desired flight on the AA website with AA codeshare flight numbers. If not you most likely can't book it because if the marketing airline doesn't let you book it then who will?

In my limited experience, AA RTW desk will be completely fine with assigning AA flight numbers but only if the other airline allows it. I don't know the logic behind what works and what doesn't, but AA has said that travel agents can book AA codeshares when AA themselves cannot. They also said that they can get the AA codeshare on routes that "touch" the US.. but everything else -- YMMV. Never hurts to ask if having the AA flt number is important (which it is, for AY earners).

Thanks all, this is for a planned RTW ticket with points credited to AY+. I was originally planning on using AY flights but having it ticketed by another airline, not realising that AY come up with a notional value so they can use revenue based points. I'm not so bothered for the "shorter" flights but keen to get 250% for the longer ones.

An important point to remember. Similarly, if you're crediting to QRPC, AA codeshares on QR metal give you better earnings than QR marketed flights on QR metal.

Codeshare flights can have traffic restrictions attached to them. Unfortunately I can't look up your specific example because I only have access to ExpertFlyer (not a GDS) and EF doesn't appear to be able to show traffic restriction codes for AA-marketed flights, but it's not uncommon for codeshares to be coded Q ("INTL ONLINE CONNECTING OR STOPOVR TRAFFIC ONLY"). For example, here's AY5096 (operated by CX134):

As I understand it, Q means that both stopovers and transits are allowed but only if it's preceded or followed by an international flight marketed by the same airline.

Even then, your mileage may vary depending on the travel agent you're using (including the AA RTW desk) as they've definitely been happy to book me on Q-coded codeshares even though the "online" aspect wasn't true. Conversely, I've had the rates desk change some unrestricted codeshares to the prime code for seemingly no reason. 🤷🏼‍♂️ (No those were not AA-operated flights)

The flight being available standalone is a sufficient but not a necessary condition. For example AA have been happy to book me on AA, AY, and JL codeshares (sometimes even despite traffic restrictions) even though none of those flights would be bookable on aa.com.

I am trying to ticket the following through BA:
1. KHI-DOH BA (operated by QR): transit
2. DOH-LHR BA (operated by QR): transit (as less than 24 hours in London)
3. LHR-DXB BA: stopover
4. DXB-DOH QR: transit
5. DOH-MIA AA (operated by QR): transit
6. MIA-JFK AA: stopover
7. JFK-DFW AA: transit
8. DFW-ANC AA: transit
9. ANC-DFW AA: transit
10. DFW-MIA AA: stopover
11. MIA-LAX AA: transit
12. LAX-HKG CX: stopover (AA not available in D)
13. HKG-DPS CX: stopover
14. DPS-HKG CX: transit
15. HKG-CMB CX: transit
16. CMB-KHI UL

The quote provided is 6253GBP, out of which 3449GBP is the base fare. This is correct. YQ is around 914GBP and YR is around 698GBP. RGGA (whatever that is) is 922.90GBP.Fare - £3,449.00

YQAD - £531.30

YRVB - £606.00

YQAC - £382.90

YRVA - £92.00

UBAS - £31.15

RGGA - £922.90

SPEB - £7.90

YDDE - £7.40

G4AF - £24.20

PZAV - £2.20

QAAP - £24.20

R9SE - £4.00

AEAD - £15.00

F6TO - £9.00

TPSE - £1.00

ZRAP - £2.00

AYSE - £8.20

USAP - £25.80

USAS - £17.20

XACO - £2.80

XYCR - £5.20

YCAE - £5.40

G3RE - £32.10

HKAE - £18.90

I5SE - £12.20

D5CB - £10.50
XF - £3.30

This feels quite heavy on YQ/YQ/taxes. I also have no idea what RGGA is. Any suggestions what I could do to reduce these? I know I'm going through LHR but have already limited this to a transit. I'm crediting to AY.

Flying out of the UK usually attracts a premium so trying an alternative to that might be a start.

I believe RGGA is the Pakistan Federal Excise Duty which applies to flights leaving Pakistan.
In this case, it's a flat 350,000 PKR which is roughly the 922 GBP.
This would apply regardless of what you do for a biz RTW ticket ex-Pakistan.