Just read up on this product on the OW web page, and it seems to specify max 6 stopover (minimum 2), but no miles or segment limitation?

Does anyone have more details? I tried fewmiles ' site but it's not mentioned here?

Take a look at the Circle fare described here in the BA document on pp C11-C14.

So a 4 continent Circle Explorer in the EU zone is pricaed the same as a 4 cont. OWE for business class.

So this essentially means I can do CPH-LHR-DXB-LHR-DOH-LHR-CAI-LHR-JNB-african segments-SYD-PER-SYD-AKL-SYD-BNE-AKL-HKG-
BKK-HKG-SIN-HKG-DPS-HKG-CGK-HKG-NRT-LHR, and stick in a few stopovers and have a legal ticket?

(and basically stick in more segments around the hubs as I see fit, as long as I dont have stopovers?)

it seem so

if you have a home in LHR or HKG, you can rest for <23 hours and continue with your trip.....let's party on this fare

Well, now a BA Gold card has a fixed price :]

But what i had in mind was, doing LHR to midt-east places that are serviced by a 777 or 747 and nice for transits (accroding to an earlier thread, Doha, Abu Dahbi and Dubai and possible Cairo are good for this), and do it hub and spoke.

If you get a nice place in Heathrow with a nice day room rate, then most of these places have flights out during afternoon or evening, with arrivals during mornings, i.e. sleepovers in Heathrow every second day.

Doing small hops on A319's and the like is inconvenient and uncomfortable, so I'll skip those, but a few places are serviced by 767'es (GVE, MXP, FCO, etc) and could be considered.

As for HKG, a lot of the same can be scheduled in Asia, in and out and a few just-under 23 hrs in HKG for sleep?

As for Africa, I'm not too familiar with with the OW route map looks like, but a few segments should be doable, i.e. medium-haul in larger a/c, not small things?

SWP has the same problem as Africa, not a lot of routes that are medium-haul, except SYD-PER and SYD-AKL and the like?

Please spring in with ideas for a killer itn.

let's begin improve on the itin.

note (instead of turnaround) you can also stay overnight in any of the nicer cities outside HKG for some 20 hours, esp those with more than 1 flights per day.

for HKG based (preferred runs)
nrt, sapporo, kix, *** , nagoya, icn, sin, jakarta, surabaya, dps, cmb, del, bom, khi
short-hauls
tpe, mnl, cebu, kul, bkk

other port based (bkk/sin/?)
bkk-sin, bkk-cmb, bkk-india
tpe-nrt/kix/icn/nagoya

london based
dxb, doh, cai
ist, ath, mos, st petersburg, bucharest, vilnus, sofia, hel, malta, gib, lis, tehran
(btw, anyway thought about lhr-tehran, vs dxb for OWE run?)

Hel based

MAD based

other segments
dxb-ryd on CX!!

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i suppose there are some RT based on Syd/mel/akl.
esp that they dont have the one long haul limitation. hope some of our QF pals can come up with an itin

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africa is hard, but you can fly some short haul on comair ex-jnb, i think (not very desirable), and
NBO-mauritius/seychelles

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would also be nice to confirm that the fare is same as OWE ex-BKK/AKL/GIB.

[This message has been edited by pegasus8228 (edited 01-26-2003).]

Glad the lions are beginning to feast on this. This jackal can only watch from afar and gleefully watch the mauling.

Looked into the Africa bit, and the only reason to do it is because you have to drop by, and then get on. The ComAir stuff is 732's, 722's, etc. Not desirable. JNB-NBO, 4:15 in a 732? Me thinks not

I'm doing a run through Amadeus just now, and being based in LHR, the following raid seems doable: CAI, DXB, MCT, DOH, TLV, GVE, MXP, FCO.

How are the rules on this: BA flies the same tube LHR-BAH-DOH, under the same flight number but a stop to drop people off in BAH. Will LHR-BAH and LHR-DOH be legal to do, even though its the same number on the flights? (Both are BA125)

And in the good spirit of following up my own posts, here's a European BA itn to boot:

14SEP03 OSLLHR BA763 1205 1325
14SEP03 LHRCAI BA155 1700 2355
15SEP03 CAILHR BA154 0835 1200
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16SEP03 LHRDOH BA125 1015 2045
16SEP03 DOHLHR BA124 2320 0620
16SEP03 LHRGVA BA742 1250 1520
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17SEP03 GVALHR BA725 1115 1200
17SEP03 LHRNCE BA348 1500 1800
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18SEP03 NCELHR BA341 0810 0915
18SEP03 LHRAMS BA434 1120 1330
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19SEP03 AMSLHR BA423 0740 0750
19SEP03 LHRMCT BA073 0950 2155
19SEP03 MCTLHR BA072 2410 0650+1
20SEP03 LHRTLV BA165 0905 1555
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21SEP03 LTVLHR BA162 0800 1135
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22SEP03 LHRAUH BA073 0950 1955
22SEP03 AUHLHR BA072 0110 0650
22SEP03 LHRDXB BA107 1230 2230
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22SEP03 DXBLHR BA108 0930 1415
22SEP03 LHREDI BA1454 1715 1830
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23SEP03 EDILHR BA1433 0630 0805
23SEP03 LHRBAH BA125 1015 1855
23SEP03 BAHLHR BA124 0105 0620
23SEP03 LHRJNB BA055 1930 0720+1
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27SEP03 JNBSYD QF064 1810 1355+1

You can stick in tons more, but basically I did it so that you get the mid-east runs spread out and don't have to bunk in London every night. The basic theory is: 1) do a mid-east destination, fly through LHR to sompleace you want to eat dinner and sleep, 2) get back into LHR for the next long haul, etc.

Doing this in coach is not recommeneded unles you are very bored of life, it should be bearable in business, but there is enough three-class flights in here to make first class a nice treat

Then i just tagged on LHR-JNB-SYD. I can find anything decent to do with the african continent, unless you are into 722's, 732, and the likes.

Australia seems to be boring, if you are lookgin for large metal, then it's SYD-PER, and various combos of SYD-New Zealand or BNE-New Zealand. Then make sure you do a run to AKL last and catch a flight to HKG.

With CX in HKG ist's all a matter og spening time, but if it was me, i'd do BKK, SIN, DPS, CGK, SPO, KUL, Seoul, and end up in NRT for BA back to LHR and home.

Had a talk with an agent today and went through the rules, and as far as wee can see, this fare is wide open for a feast for someone willing to spend a few weeks on the road

Things have changed since I last posted to this thread, but it looks like I might pick up on this again this fall, and wondered if the gurus in here could provide a bit help with the following part of the rules from the OW website:

"Please note you may need to travel through a hub city to get to your desired destination."

Given a ticket originated in Europe, does that mean that JNB-HKG permits you to travel JNB-LHR-HKG even if CX flies JNB-HKG? Similar for JNB-SIN, which is not directly connected by a participating airline, would JNB-LHR-SIN be an allowed routing?

And if someone has a set of current rules so I could read the gritty details myself, that would be great.

[This message has been edited by ph-ndr (edited 05-06-2003).]

Assuming you are originating in Europe, you cannot go back there to connect. Backtracking between continents is not allowed. Also, this fare now has the 20 segment restriction that has been applied to the other OW fares.

The BA rule book can be downloaded from http://www.tarom.net/ba/explorer.pdf . See pp C11-C14.

And the CX Rules from:

http://home.so-net.com.hk/~pns/CXRule/

Sorry - messed up my editing - the link now works.

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Help. I'm new to the Circle world (I do 3 RTWs annual as an AA platexec). Does the circle mean literally, with no offshoots?
I'm based Down Under and would like to fly to LHR, offshoot back and forth, once or twice, from LHR to Moscow and to Budapest, then fly down to RSA and over to SYD and AKL.
Could a variation on the part from RSA to Down Under take me from RSA to HKG and then in and out of HKG to India before heading from HKG Down Under?