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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 9:40 am
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Help with itinerary, please...(first rough shot at it)

So far I have almost always used Star Alliance carriers, so I am not fully familiar with Oneworld. However, I do know that they, through LAN Chile, serve PPT and IPC, which is one of the reasons I would like to book a RTW on Oneworld.

Would an itinerary like this one be legal and how could I maximize it (DGLOB34)?

CAI-BCN-(MAD, transfer, same flight number, so I guess BCN-ORD = one segment?)-ORD-SJU-MIA-CCS-[BWIA Caribbean airpass to explore the Carribbean islands]-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-SYD-SIN-CAI

32191 miles in the Great Circle Mapper:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=c...&MARKER=1&RANG E-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=blue&MAP-STYLE=azeqi&MAP-CENTER=BCN

There are a few things I would like to add to the trip, but have not been able to figure it out yet:

- I would definitely want to add stops so that I can get to see Machu Picchu and the Galapagos islands.
- I would really like to add Panama City and/or Mexico City and, if possible more locations in Central America.
- I would like to add more/other cities in Asia like SEL, BKK, but I don't see this as being possible within the 34 K miles.
- If there are any beautiful islands/sights I have forgotten along the trip that could be added while still being within the rules/mileage allowed, please let me know...
- Any other suggestions, also on how to optimize mileage, would be more than welcome.

Thanks a lot .
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:02 am
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Regarding PPT-AKL, I am aware that it is a codeshare flight, but the rules seem to indicate that codeshare flights on TN can be included on a RTW.
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Well, just as a head's-up, you can't fly SIN-CAI direct. You'll have to stop in London (LHR) and change planes (and flight numbers). Thus, that journey will count as two segments, but I'm not sure how the segment issue works with the mileage based fare.
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:17 am
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Thanks...I just realized...is there any other city in Asia that has a Oneworld flight directly to CAI?
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:21 am
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My understanding is that on the Global Explorer fares it is stopovers rather than segments which are the limiting factor (see here for excellent collection of Oneworld rules).

Wrt your Peruvian expeditions, LanPeru is part of LanChile, so there should be some way of fitting in Lima/Cuzco, etc on your way through South America without adding too many miles (haven't done the maths yet on this). And also just looked at the Lanchile route map (here) and seen that you can't fly from CCS-LIM, so maybe you need to go via Havana and Bogota ...

And I agree that a SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL routing should be possible on the Global Explorer (least I hope so, as that is a possibility that I am considering too )

Will follow this post with interest.

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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:30 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by attorney28:
Thanks...I just realized...is there any other city in Asia that has a Oneworld flight directly to CAI?</font>
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according to the oneworld electronic timetable (very useful if you're looking at rtws, even if it is missing most of Lanchile's flights...) the only oneworld destinations from CAI are LHR (daily) and BCN (M, F, Su).

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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:31 am
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Regarding the "any city in Asia direct to CAI" question, I'm afraid the answer is no. The only way into (and out of) Cairo (on a oneworld airline) is either from London or Barcelona, on British Airways or Iberia, respectively.
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:39 am
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Alright, under these circumstances, I guess for now it is

cai-bcn-mad-ord-mia-ccs-scl-ipc-ppt-akl-syd-sin-lhr-cai

which puts me at 33671 miles and does not leave too much space to add other destinations .

Guess I will have to find some other cheap way to get to San Juan and/or the Cayman islands from MIA .
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 10:56 am
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cai-bcn-mad-ord-sju-ccs-[caribbean airpass]-bog-lim-scl-ipc-ppt-akl-syd-hkg-lhr-cai

This is a bit better already, although it still doesn't get me to Ecuador (for the Galapagos trip - but I think one can arrange a tour from Lima?)...33915 miles.
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 12:40 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by attorney28:
cai-bcn-mad-ord-sju-ccs-[caribbean airpass]-bog-lim-scl-ipc-ppt-akl-syd-hkg-lhr-cai</font>
One important point to confirm.
Did you add miles between surface sector betwen CCS and BOG ?
Following is rule og GLOBAL EXPLORER.

INTERMEDIATE SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AT PASSENGER*S EXPENSE.
SURFACE SEGMENTS MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL MILEAGE.


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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 12:50 pm
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No, the Caribbean airpass thing is just an unrelated sidetrip that should not affect the RTW at all - there is no surface sector.

Another thing, I would have liked to go to PEK, but I just figured out that I cannot do that - it's operated by China Eastern Airlines or something like that, so that rules it out...still working on it...

[This message has been edited by attorney28 (edited 03-27-2003).]
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 3:30 pm
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Old Mar 27, 2003 | 6:33 pm
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SCL-IPC is booked in Y by LA even if you pay A fare....this is a recent rule change for OWE fares, probably applies to the Global Explorer fare too. IPC is a long sector to be in coach esp. when paying for first or business.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by attorney28:
No, the Caribbean airpass thing is just an unrelated sidetrip that should not affect the RTW at all - there is no surface sector.
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In my opinion, if you fly CCS-BOG with non-OW carrier, this sector is considered as a surface sector. Because Global Explorer rule does not permit COMBINATIONS.

If you purchase a OW Global Explorer ticket with this itinerary, and CCS-BOG is NOT considered as a surface sector, please report in this forum.
It is important for us.
Thanks in advance.

By the way, as number_6 mentioned, you can book only Y class for SCL-IPC segment.
Booking class rule of LA/LP domestic flights is same for OWE, OW Global Explorer, and OW Circle pacific.

See
http://www.hardlink.com/~markdu/OWFi...kingCodes.html


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Old Mar 28, 2003 | 3:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Wasabi Tofu:
In my opinion, if you fly CCS-BOG with non-OW carrier, this sector is considered as a surface sector. Because Global Explorer rule does not permit COMBINATIONS.

If you purchase a OW Global Explorer ticket with this itinerary, and CCS-BOG is NOT considered as a surface sector, please report in this forum.
It is important for us.
Thanks in advance.
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According to the Oneworld Electronic Timetable, BA flies CCS-BOG. I would not have made it a part of my itinerary if there had not been a Oneworld carrier...not sure where the idea came from that I would use a non-OW carrier.

Regarding SCL-IPC, I guess I would survive a few hours in Y and getting less miles for that one flight .
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