I hadn't seen this... amazing resource. Thank you

There was an earlier conversation about this discrepancy.
When RTW fares are searched on EF, selecting both AA and QR for fare display will produce equal results.
QR when searched on its own will show lower fares
Ask a TA to resolve by pricing your trip with QR
Just another complication to wandering
Fred

pandaperth ,

This is a valuable resource. Perpetual thanks for your contributions!

[QUOTE=Cashew1977;37526241]Still valid, but there are a couple of caveats in there. Pakistan implemented a very high excise tax a couple of years ago, so despite it looking cheap on the base fare, that's an unavoidable tax and pushes it above several other departure points. India's tax also pushes it above an ex-TYO. So if you want an ex-Asia, ex-Japan is still cheapest, but with ex-India you can do stopovers in Japan that you can't do ex-Japan.

I realize this doesn't apply for everyone, but US citizens do not have to worry about that.

I went to Libya last year, which would also be a no-no for a non-US citizen wanting to retain ESTA access, but nothing the USG can do about it for a US citizen.

Well.... Three months later, looking to check in online for my first flight, always a good idea I find, turns out that adult had reverted to a child on the underlying (non AA) ticket with QR. It took over an hour to identify the problem and then fix it. Apparently the wrong birthday had gone thru in some DOB fields.... Not entirely sure when and how (maybe per ticket?) but the agent said it took checking/removing from 300 fields to fix it. No problem checking in then though, which is obviously key. So the answer if anyone gets this same bizarre situation is, ring up, get the AA desk to ask for support who worked out the problem and then they went to what I presume was level 3 support to fix!

Note, probably impossible to see the problem in advance as the tickets clearly said DONE4/DONE4CH, the prices were correct etc.

Anyway, happy to be starting this next trip which will take us to AKL and NAN amongst others.
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[QUOTE=Cashew1977;37526241]Apologies for the rookie question. Are these base fare prices, and then taxes and fees on top?

[QUOTE=Deckter;37543429]Yes. They are typically 5-40% additional depending on routing, carriers, flight codes, plating carrier etc.

Comparing net after tax purchase price to net after-tax purchase price?

India has a 12% tax on all premium cabin tickets.

Hoping to get some assistance (again) from the experts. I am in the process of planning 2027 travel and the routing I am coming up with looks like it could be worked into a DONE4. Before I spend a lot of time planning it all out, I want to confirm that it would work with the non-negotiable destinations. I played around with the One World itinerary builder and got some error messages. I know it has it's issues, but wanted to get your input and suggestions. I have done two of these tickets before, so I am not a total rookie, but I don't have the experience that many of you do! Here is what I put in the builder:

OSL xLON-NBO-DOH-MLE-KUL-HKG-LAX-HEL-OSL

I get this error message under the OSL-LON & the NBO-DOH segments: Your trip may include two stopovers over 24 hours in the continent where your journey started. If your itinerary includes both of these in your country of origin, one must be outbound and the other inbound. Additional stopovers under 24 hours are permitted in your itinerary. Please select a different date or flight.

The destinations that need to stay are NBO and then back to Europe at the end. I will add more segments once I figure out if this is even doable. The MLE stop is not a must if that throws anything off. I could go straight to Asia and get my beach fix in the Philippines. Other than Nairobi and ending in Europe, I am open to destinations to add in.

Thank you in advance for your help!

Your itinerary is valid OSL-xLON-NBO-DOH-MLE-KUL-HKG-LAX-HEL-OSL

As you pointed out, the online tool has its issues; and the error message you are getting is spurious.

I managed to price up your itinerary using the tool:
Base Fare: NOK57,959
+++: NOK17,467
TOTAL: NOK75,423

The trick to getting it to price was to specify the first segment as OSL-NBO

Doesn't the connection (London or Doha) need to be included here?

Ultimately on your ticket the full routing will need to be shown
So in your case either OSL-xLHR-NBO or OSL-xDOH-NBO
But with the tool you can just specify the end points (i.e. OSL-NBO) and the tool will attempt (and tbh often fail) to construct a valid routing

For the itinerary I managed to price up, I just specified OSL-NBO at the start; the tool found a routing and priced it up. The routing wasn't one you would want I expect (it was OSL-xLHR-xDOH-NBO) but the tool validated it and priced it - which is probably all you want at this planning stage.

Ah- okay, thank you. I have been playing around with different routes for the beginning of the journey, so that getting to NBO would be more efficient:
OSL xDOH-NBO-DAR-MCT-MNL-HKG-LAX (Will work on NA routing)- LHR-OSL. However, is the rule still valid that the first flight can not be on Qatar? Then it would have to be OSL xLHR-DOH-NBO or back to the original plan?

Thank you!

There is no rule that prevents QR from being the first flight.
Have you downloaded the rules?
https://www.oneworld.com/round-the-world Look in FAQ

And very useful QF link from 2018, but assume still current, as regions do not change.
https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/q...continents.pdf

From DAR Wikipedia no oneworld airline fly's NBO-DAR non stop. Could do as land segment -DOH-NBO, DAR-MCT-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius...tional_Airport

Thanks so much for your input. I saw the bit on QR in The Oneworld Explorer User Guide posted in this thread under the "Ticket Purchase" section
"Generally, the ticket will be issued by whichever airline flies your first segment.The first carrier cannot be Qatar Airways.Depending on airline, you either pay in the tool or you will be given a reference number to pay by phone."

Yes, the NBO to DAR would be a surface segment.

I will take a look at the QF 2018 link.

Thank you!

I imagine there are additional destinations with Oman Air joining Oneworld recently

Do not get confused between first flight airline and ticketing airline. Is not always the same. Qantas is the default ticketing carrier for many itineraries from the OW tool. Some good travel agents can ticket on a range of carriers. From memory QR Qatar and AS Alaska do not issue OW tickets[may be incorrect]. May be others.
So do not fully agree with that wording. Is no "rule"

Oman Air routes (wikipedia is not alway up to date, but a simple clear listing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...r_destinations

When the HA brand (owned by AS Alaska) routes get added will be a small route expansion. Those in the south Pacific will be welcomed (PPT, PPG etc)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_destinations

Great points- thank you! My previous two tickets were ticketed with the AA RTW desk and neither of those started with an AA carrier.

The Oman Air routes have been difficult to navigate. They seem to change quite a bit. The issue I am dealing with is getting in and out of Africa (from Oslo). If I recall, I can only transit DOH once. So, it's figuring out if it's best to use QR from Oslo or, leaving NBO. Looking at my last RTW, I did a very similar itinerary, just in reverse. Also impacted by Covid, so some adjustments/exceptions were made.

Thanks again! I appreciate any and all input!

For exploring airline routes, I use Flight Connections
Not so. There is no restriction on stopovers/transits - other than at the point of origin and that only two stopovers are allowed in the continent of origin.
I personally have transited DOH three times and stopped over once on a single RTW (JNB-xDOH-EZE...BKK-xDOH-CMN-DOH-OSL-xDOH-NBO)
And on another RTW: KHI-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-LCA-xDOH-WAW-xDOH-SFO...

I got to know the Al Mourjan lounge very well :D

You just made my life so much easier. And, Al Mourjan lounge is not a bad place to be.

This ticket is looking like a possibility. I'll work on it and share it here for feedback.

Thank you!

Hello
First post here so tell me if I violate any norms.

I am trying to book LYS-MAD-NRT-SEA-LAX-TPA-LYS, business class starting in September.

All is well (plenty of seats, valid itinerary etc), until I try to buy it. I get an error message for LYS-MAD and MAD-NRT (both Iberia flights) that says waitlists. So I tried various dates, thinking that I would pull the trigger and change it later. I have tried dates from February onwards, and get the error every time. I tried the AA chatline, but the only advice they gave me was to wait (which doesn't seem to be useful).

Any ideas?

Thanks

Welcome to FT
Probably a lot cheaper to start/finish in OSL

The IB MAD flights may have a married seagments issue. Try more than 24hrs and less than 24 hours between flights.
The OW onlline is known to be buggy. Can and does give false error messages. An error somewhere, but not what the text is saying.

Is not a non stop fight TPA-LYS. So will need 1 or 2 transit airports. The OW tool will try to find intermediate airports, but can be better if you select. Be careful not to exceed the number if segments in EU-ME region.
The oneworld airlines at LYS are BA IB RAM & RJ, so a reasonable choice of airlines/routes.
TPA has BA to LGW. LGW to LHR by surface would count as a segment

NRT-SEA has JL & AS non stop (source wikipedia). The AS flight is HA brand, so as yet not oneworld. HA will be in OW on 22 Apr 2026.
Check if flying on your dates. Also consider HND (the other Tokyo airport)

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c%3Ablu...=bm&PW=3&DU=mi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon%E...3%A9ry_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_...tional_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid...arajas_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narita...tional_Airport

Hi all. Working on my next ticket and running into an issue in my North America segment that I am hoping you can help with. I have a transcontinental flight (LAX-JFK) and I really want to add a trip to Panama City, Panama, but I can't seem to do it without having to pass through Miami, which would be a second transcontinental flight. Any suggestions? Here is what I have so far:

OSL-xDOH-NBO-DOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-(DFW-LAX surface)(this is where I would put Panama City)-LAX-HEL-OSL

Thanks in advance for your help.

Have not looked at your itinerary in detail
To get around the 2nd second transcontinental flight (3015 rule 4J) need to have an intermediate transit airport. DFW, ORD or what ever xxx-LAX-DFW/ORD-MIA-PTY-xxx
What is a cash fare MIA-PTY if running over the 6 NA segments allowed?
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocume...tional_Airport
The other oneworld airline to PTY is IB to/from MAD (Spain). Instead of AA back for LAX-HEL fly IB PTY-MAD-xxx

Edit
Getting back to USA west coast from PTY takes segments and the transcontinental rule limits options
So fly Iberia PTY-MAD-OSL as attached (still may have itinerary errors)
pandaPerth can give advice on DOH-NDO-DOH [ EU/ME Africa ]. Unsure if allowed.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c5a40ffb8f.jpg

Wow- this is great feedback- thank you! I will look into the PTY-MAD. Ironically, I need to be in BCN when I end this trip, so that may work out.

I also looked at cash pay for MIA-PTY-MIA and it's not bad. It may still put me over the 6 North America Segments though.

Thank you!

Yeo. NA 6 segment limit is your problem. MIA-PTY-MIA takes 2 of the 6.
Surface (open jaw) do not count to the continent total but are in the 16 total. [years ago with paper tickets was a max of 32 segments]
Many variations possible.

Is the order of flights in North America important? Could you fly ...HKG-JFK-LAX... instead? If yes, then the itinerary could be ...HKG-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-LAX...

SDandi does seems to want 3 visits to LAX. Excessive and hard to achieve.

Unfortunately, yes. We live on the West Coast and will need to get back to dog and work after our Africa & Asia adventure and still want to utilize the NA segments for future travels. Thanks for the suggestion!

Nobody wants 3 visits to LAX 😁 I live on the west coast and LAX has the most flights to choose from. If you have a work around, I am open to exploring it.

I am thinking I'll replace PTY with somewhere in Mexico to reduce the amount of NA segments. It will look exactly like my last DONE4 (reversed), but I can get over that. Thanks for all the input!

Noting your profile location of San Diego are some AS, HA[AS] & AA flights from SAN. And even BA to LHR and JAL to NRT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Di...tional_Airport
A possibility is LIR Costa Rica which has AS & AA flights to/from the west coast, DFW/ORD and east coast. So does not count in the USA transcontinental limits.
LIR -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanacaste_Airport
Here --> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/37563229-post5.html

Any particular reason to prefer LIR to SJO which, I believe, has the same ins and outs?

I really like this idea- thank you!

No. Have seen LIR more often in other OW DONE* itineraries here on FT.
LIR (blue) has more USA destinations than SJO (red). [AA AS]
SJO has long haul international destinations of LGW & MAD. LIR none.
Some routes are seasonable
Determining capacity :- schedule & aircraft size/seats is another matter
[source Wikipedia]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanacaste_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_S...tional_Airport
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

Hopefully closer to a plan...seeking more DONEx advice
 

Couple of more questions while playing around with the admittedly quirky online tool. That CPT is the main purpose of the trip means rules limit me somewhat, but the tool seems to be allowing me to fly from Europe to CPT then to asia via DOH. For example, both of these were valid in the tool...

Oslo - London - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Doha - Hong Kong - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo

Oslo - London - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Doha - Muscat - Doha - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo

I wasn't able to get it to price alternatives, like my preferred routing via DOH, and then bypassing EU/ME when departing South Africa to satisfy the rules as I understand them when including South Africa. Something like this:

Oslo - Doha - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Hong Kong - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo

I'm trying to maximize my AA earnings somewhat, with getting to/from CPT. After the first stop in Chicago, (basically home, the rest is to use up the ticket, and possibly build in another mini-trip. Not sure how to best mazimize it, depending on what I book, I should have at least one more segment to use.

Thanks all for all of the expertise here.

Thanks for the idea, Mwenenzi. I've been using DFW-ANC-DFW for the North American MR parts of my itineraries. LIR/SEA is a few hundred miles more and avoids the weather problems in ANC. My only real stops in N.A. are LAX and BOS. The rest of the flights are MRs.

If you're spending any amount of time, LIR is on the Pacific coast. There are loads of activities there including great diving (don't forget your 24h wait before flying). I did a great dive there at the Bat Islands where there were quite a few mantas and bull sharks. Worth note though, the beaches there are volcanic sand, it's not the beautiful white sand coastline of the Caribbean side. The Pacific also tends to be significantly colder for swimming.

SJO is more or less in the middle of the country and a sizable city. Great if you're looking for a city escape, but I found it fairly unexciting.

For just the purposes of going just to use up North America segments, I'd easily chose LIR over SJO but I'd stay at least a few days to get a chance to actually enjoy it.

Nice design of the spreadsheet :tu:

Something funny happened today.

Yesterday I called the AA RTW desk to price up an itinerary and we managed to get through everything within 20min. Almost every flight was available on the first try, including a bunch of married segments and codeshares, which was a very pleasant surprise.

The next day I receive the standard "your reservation has been rated" email but notice that there's no price quote on the PNR. I call the RTW desk and am told that there's indeed no quote stored in the reservation and that it's somehow shown as "ready for ticketing" despite the lack of a quote. My agent calls the rates desk, the rates desk was equally confused and we could only assume that whoever worked on it forgot to actually save their work. :D

I resisted the urge to make the airline equivalent of the "it didn't scan so it must be free" joke.

Now it's been sent back to the rates desk. Hopefully the next person remembers to actually store the fare and TFCs...