Rule 16(a)1.a. VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES /// Rebooking/Rerouting /// Prior to departure:Although this could have been worded more clearly, I would say that it you're not making changes to the first flight coupon, the ticket won't (or shouldn't) be repriced.


Since JFK-GRU is not the first flight in the itinerary, I would say no, based on the wording above. Clearly if you wait until after you fly the first flight, changing carriers without changing ticketed points does not result in a fare recalculation or reissue/change fee.

I don't see what your problem is.
The ex-OSL base fare has not changed since you bought your ticket.

Yes it would but as fares havent changed, really it should be minimal difference due to any currency differences or tax changes.

And any relevant tax changes will apply regardless of when you change.

Excellent thread!

I am looking to book my first DONE3.

Does this itinerary look valid? Any suggestions for improvement - my objective is to fly better business class cabins and to include these stopovers...

OSL BA/AY LHR stop QR DOH QR DXB stop CX HKG CX SIN stop CX HKG CX TYO stop JL SFO stop AA DFW AA JFK stop BA/AA LHR BA PMI stop AY HEL AY OSL

Thanks in advance for sharing your expertise and experiences.

OSL-LHR-DOH-DXB-HKG-SIN-HKG-TYO-SFO-DFW-JFK-LHR-PMI-HEL-OSL
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

OSL-LHR, LHR--DOH-DXB, DXB-HKG-SIN, SIN-HKG-TYO, TYO-SFO, SFO-DFW-JFK, JFK-LHR-PMI, PMI-HEL-OSL
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

Stopping over in LHR will attract a hefty UK APD when leaving.
You have 6 EU-ME segments. Only allowed 4, OSL-LHR, LHR-DOH-DXB, LHR-PMI, PMI-HEL-OSL
Be careful about the TYO airport HND & NRT. Any ground segment will count.
Going to the far side of a USA continent (east) , then back to the west, then from west to UK will get more miles - more in business class. eg. TYO-JFK-SFO-DFW-LHR (have not checked flights)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...04e4ec0f19.jpg

Also you have three stopovers in Europe/Middle East (LHR, DXB, PMI)
Since it is your continent of origin, you are allowed only two.

Thanks for the feedback. I will reduce the EU segments and add some USA segments :tu:

If you give us a list of the cities where you must or want to stop, there are several people here who can help construct itineraries which will maximize your BIS miles.

My take is requested stopovers are LHR, DXB, SIN, TYO, SFO, JFK, PMI. Will not be able to do all, as does not fit the rules. Suggest PMI be dropped is as cheap destination from UK. The first LHR stopover (24hrs> ) attracts a hefty UK. APD. LHR transits {24hrs< ) do not.

Just a new data point on a slightly different scenario. In this case, I recently booked an ex-HND DONE3 including a QR DFW-DOH. segment. It was ok to book it as AA codeshare.

I'm having some difficulty with the airline which issued my xONEx ex OSL. It's saying I can't have a stopover in LON, only a transit on my final DOH-LHR-OSL segments.My read of the fare rules is that up to two stopovers are permitted in the continent of origin. I've so far used one, earlier in the journey.

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What is the full route? Stopovers?

Well I would like to visit family in UK, but the stopover could be elsewhere such as AMS, I don't mind a side trip on points.
Otherwise, SIN (or BKK) is the only other required stop. TYO would be nice as it has been a few years. Likewise SOF (or SJC) for Silicon Valley.

Thank you all.

Still limited to number of segments (4) and stopover(2) in continent of origin (EU UK). LHR or AMS is same for the rules
Your other postsIs a vast choice of routes - stopovers for *ONE* RTW tickets

I wonder if you kind people would kindly verify an itinerary for me, please. It's a DONE. I should add that I have fallen into the trap of already booking this on Qantas, but I believe that I am missing a legitimate pair of flights from London. They're not yet ticketed and are highlighted.

HND-LHR-DBV-LHR-MLA-LHR-YYZ-JFK-SFO-NAN-BNE-CHC-SYD-SIN-NRT

All of these are stopovers. I could not get the useless online tool to ticket it, and I left out the hop to and from Malta. At the risk of having a difficult conversation with Qantas, can anyone see why I should not phone and add that London Malta London return? It means that there are four intra-EME flights which is within the limit. And yes, I know, I should not have booked this until I had worked this out!

Thank you!

if it hasn't ticketed, why not just cancel?

Looks like you already have 4 flights in Europe/ME (rule allows up to 4).

Since you have NOT yet ticketed, I'd avoid ticketing with QF & heading toward AA RTW desk instead.

Thanks. This was a gross mistake but I have ticketed it (I should not have used the word "ticketed" to describe the position where I booked what I could and what I could was ticketed. . I am confused though. There are surely only two intra European flights, namely to DBV and back (I could not get it to accept the return to MLA). I want to grit my teeth and call Qantas to add them. Am I missing something?

BA fly to MLA from LGW and not LHR.

Good point Please consider any pair of European flights from LHR.

Just FYI (I do think all of us already know).
This will ADD 1 more segment to OP's itinerary (ground segment). It is counted as 1/16.

It would ADD 2 more segments as Oneworld don't fly LGW-YYZ so there would need to be a second surface sector LGW-LHR.

DONE3 with AA
(Marketing)/(Operating)
AA/JL KIX-LAX
AA/AA LAX-ORD
AA/AA ORD-SFO-ORD
AA/AA ORD-YUL-ORD
AA/AA ORD-LAX
AA/QR LAX-DOH
BA/BA DOH-LHR
BA/BA ARN-LHR-TLS
CX/CX MAD-HKG-TPE
CX/CX TPE-NGO

$5055 base + $800 taxes/fees + $444 carrier imposed fees = $6299

Yes. My mistake as I say. I meant to add a pair of flights from LHR. So we agree that this conforms with all the rules?

HND-LHR-DBV-LHR-BER-LHR-YYZ-JFK-SFO-NAN-BNE-CHC-SYD-SIN-NRT

Thanks you and sorry for confusion...

Yes, that is a valid XONE4 routing but you are only using 14/16 permitted sectors so you are leaving two sectors on the table. You are only using 2/6 permitted sectors in North America and 3/4 permitted sectors in South West Pacific so can squeeze more value out of the ticket in either of those areas.

EX OSL DONE5- max 2 stops in Europe AND Africa?!
 

Hey community, hoping you can help. I am hitting a wall with the one world explorer fare. I would like to depart OSL have three stopovers in RAK, LHR, and NBO. In most documents (including the BA fare summary document) it says "Maximum 2 stopovers permitted in the continent of origin", which would signify a further stopover in Africa is fine. But my agent has highlighted another rule which says maximum "2 in area 2" which would suggest that if I go to Africa I can I only take 1 stop in Europe. What is going on? Many thanks for your ideas and advice.

Here's my hoped for itinerary:

OSL-LHR-LGW-RAK (first 'Europe' stop)
RAK-MAD-BOG Open jaw
BAQ-MIA-LAX
LAX-KIX
KIX-BKK
BKK-CMB-BOM
BOM-LHR (2nd Europe stop)
LHR-NBO
NBO-LHR-OSL

It looks like you have five segments in Europe?

OSL-LHR
LHR-LGW
LGW-RAK
RAK-MAD
—-
LHR-OSL

Edited because I left out a segment.

From 3015 rule 4
Which is generally taken to mean only flight segments count for continent count, but ground segment count in the 16 total.
The bold flight is in the OW rules

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No mention of "area 2"
Cannot find in the rule "rule which says maximum "2 in area 2" [but may be wrong]
Continents are defined as

• Europe-Middle East and Africa
• these 2 continents together shall Comprise TC2

Consisting of:
4 flight segments (max allowed in Europe/Middle East), and
1 surface segment (no restriction on surface segments)

Thanks to all for your thoughtful replies so far!

Here's the text in question from the full rules
in GDS (lifted through Expert Flyer, departure and return to OSL):

STOPOVERS: 2 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT UNLIMITED IN AFRICA
2 IN AREA 2
UNLIMITED AT ANY POINT EXCEPT IN LIBYA.

OR - 2 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
1 IN LIBYA UNLIMITED IN AFRICA
1 IN AREA 2
UNLIMITED AT ANY POINT.

OR - 2 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
2 IN LIBYA UNLIMITED IN AFRICA
UNLIMITED AT ANY POINT EXCEPT IN AREA 2.

and yet the rules summary talks about max 2 within "continent of origin". Can anyone help translate?

Firstly you don't say when you are flying but on current schedules BA can offer OSL-xLHR-RAK on Mondays and Fridays without the need to schlep between LHR-LGW and saving you a sector which you might want to use elsewhere.

The rules showing on Expertflyer feel like they are intended to be read by computer rather than humans but let's have a crack at it!
Area 2 comprises Europe/Middle East and Africa.
As you don't wish to visit Libya we'll go with the first stopover option where the intention is to show that you can have UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS anywhere (which are however limited by the number of sectors permitted in each continent), UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS IN AFRICA (which are however limited by the four sectors permitted in Africa - and also the fact that Oneworld has no African airline at present), and 2 IN AREA 2. The UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS IN AFRICA comes before the 2 IN AREA 2 and overrides it.

So, bearing in mind the sector limits you can have UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS, UNLIMITED FREE STOPOVERS IN AFRICA plus 2 IN (THE REST) OF AREA 2 - the rest of area 2 in this case being Europe/Middle East which is the Continent of Origin.

Thank you Franky The Anorak ! On reflection I think your interpretation makes sense, otherwise why the repeated insistence on "unlimited in Africa"? It is however a bit wierd that you only get 4 but there we go..

So now my next challenge is to somehow reassure my agent (or indeed the American RTW desk if it comes to it) , so that I can get this routing ticketed. It feels like there is no rock solid authority on how to interpret the rules*. Is this also your experience? Any advice appreciated.

*yesterday I rang the AA desk and each time was told a completely different restriction. One agent said I could never fly Africa to Europe on this fare, and it needed to be via Asia!

Thank you both! Planning our next jaunt and I didn’t realize we could fly into ICN and out of GMP without using up a flight segment.

I think that you should start with the official OneWorld Explorer rules as published by OneWorld, rather than EF's interpretation of what it thinks that they are. You can find the official OneWorld Explorer rules here.

I believe expert flyer links to the actual full GDS rules (which is what travel agents use), rather than its own interpretation. But you're right, everything should all be summarised well in your linked rules.

RTW newbie seeking planning guidance
 

Hello, I'm not a novice traveler, but totally new to booking Oneworld RTW trips. Thought I have done a lot of homework on this topic, but even as I think I know a decent amount, there are so many things I still don't understand.

I am US based, and am trying to get to CPT in mid 2026. My thought is to build out a RTW itinerary (DONE4?) presumably starting in OSL, and using the AA RTW desk to book. My main objective is to get to South Africa, then fly home in a "fun" way, and then I'll have some portions of a US-EU trip left to finish up the ticket in the future. I'm not thinking of good creative ideas to build this up more I'd like to maximize my earnings in AA as much as possible. I've done searches for D space and my very rough outline seems mostly doable.

Initially my thought was something like OSL-DOH-CPT(stop) then continue eastbound eventually to ORD. Maybe CPT-DOH-SYD-HND-JFK(stop), later doing ORD-LHR-OSL. Realizing that is only half of the segments I could fly, there is room for building it out much more.

One other last minute thought I had would be to go the other direction, same starting point, OSL-DOH-CPT, then come back more directly to home, i.e. CPT-LHR-ORD, and I'd have a lot more segments to use for later going westbound eventually back to OSL. Is there a benefit to going one way vs. the other given my preferences?

One rule that I'm confused about how it might lead to issues with my plans, rule 4(e) Is this only if I have a second departure/arrival in Europe or will this cause me issues in my plan all together?

Appreciate any advice the experts here can share, steering my in the right direction if I'm off base with assumptions, as well as any suggestions for how to spice it up.

If you are flying OSL-DOH-CPT then you cannot exit Africa using CPT-DOH-SYD as you cannot have a second Europe/Middle East departure on itineraries including South Africa. On Oneworld Cape Town is a bit of a dead end and having flown OSL-DOH-CPT you would have to make your own way to Johannesburg and pick up your RTW ticket from there. Routes possible are JNB-HKG, JNB-PER or JNB-SYD.

OSL-DOH-CPT-LHR-ORD is also not a valid routing due to the second Europe/Middle East departure.

FF earnings to AAdvantage is complicated. Dedicated thread--> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...age-miles.html
AA RTW desk can book you an AA codeshare on other OW airline operated flight. But check if best for AA earnings.

QF fly JNB-SYD with an A380. CPT-JNB would need to be a ground segment. Ground segments count in the 16 total, but not in the continent counts.
QF fly SYD-(AKL)-JFK with a B787. Counts as 1 segment as 1 flight number.
Cannot see the logic of SYD & HND is you are not going to stop. For TYO be carefull with HND & NRT.

thank you.

I would probably stop in one or both places I mentioned, and more. But not a primary destination for this journey. Not that this matters other than for segments

I only put HND in there as I thought Japan would be a good stopover point as I love visiting there plus a Oneworld hub. The new A350 biz cabin is tempting too. Similar with SYD. A place I enjoy and another alliance hub.

I tend to default to Qatar flights based on past experiences. While researching this I had thought QF flights had higher fees, but both QF routes you mention would be unique in my flight map and the JFK flight would certainly qualify in the arbitrary “fun” category in my head.