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Old Feb 8, 2026 | 11:24 am
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I just tried calling the AA RTW number for an ex-OSL itinerary. Part of it includes SYD-AYQ, which is operated by QF mainline 5 days a week, but only operated by JQ on the day I want to travel. When I asked to add this as a QF codeshare to the ticket (QF 5660), the AA rep told me that they cannot include Jetstar Airways on RTW tickets. At first she asked me "is JQ Jetstar?" so I'm not sure she was overly familiar.

Is this a HUACA situation? I'd happily try a travel agent instead but unsure of the best option. Thanks
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Old Feb 8, 2026 | 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by cmurphy2005
I just tried calling the AA RTW number for an ex-OSL itinerary. Part of it includes SYD-AYQ, which is operated by QF mainline 5 days a week, but only operated by JQ on the day I want to travel. When I asked to add this as a QF codeshare to the ticket (QF 5660), the AA rep told me that they cannot include Jetstar Airways on RTW tickets. At first she asked me "is JQ Jetstar?" so I'm not sure she was overly familiar.

Is this a HUACA situation? I'd happily try a travel agent instead but unsure of the best option. Thanks
Yes, rule 4(j) clearly states that QF*JQ flights are permitted.

Travel on any AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/FJ/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/WY codeshare service operated by AA/AS/AT/AY/BA/CX/FJ/IB/JL/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/WY is permitted.

Other codeshare services not permitted with the exception of QF Codeshare services operated by Jetstar (JQ).
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Old Feb 8, 2026 | 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by cmurphy2005
. . . the AA rep told me that they cannot include Jetstar Airways on RTW tickets.
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Yes, rule 4(j) clearly states that QF*JQ flights are permitted.
One of the things that I like about the AA RTW desk is while they may not know every rule in detail, all you have to do is point out to them the rule that permits what you're trying to do and they'll happily oblige.
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Old Feb 8, 2026 | 11:22 pm
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One of the things that I like about the AA RTW desk is while they may not know every rule in detail, all you have to do is point out to them the rule that permits what you're trying to do and they'll happily oblige.
Sadly in my experience this isn't always true. The very first time I called the AA RTW desk, the agent refused to let me stop over in Asia both before/after visiting the SWP continent (a rule that was changed many years ago) and doubled down even after I pointed them to the relevant rule. Whilst the agents on the AA RTW desk are generally much more competent than your average reservations agent, HUACA is sometimes still necessary.

(I've since learned to avoid that particular agent, after they put me on an AA codeshare for a non-AA operated flight without even telling me during a simple date change - which then made it difficult to get back on the flight code I wanted!)
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Old Feb 9, 2026 | 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by link2
Sadly in my experience this isn't always true. The very first time I called the AA RTW desk, the agent refused to let me stop over in Asia both before/after visiting the SWP continent (a rule that was changed many years ago) and doubled down even after I pointed them to the relevant rule. Whilst the agents on the AA RTW desk are generally much more competent than your average reservations agent, HUACA is sometimes still necessary.

(I've since learned to avoid that particular agent, after they put me on an AA codeshare for a non-AA operated flight without even telling me during a simple date change - which then made it difficult to get back on the flight code I wanted!)
AA does not for all reservations, including non-RTW, if the flight is available. I've fed non-AA flight numbers to the agent, and they switch it to the AA code without asking and then play dumb when I ask for the non-AA flight number and tell them I wasn't on an AA code when I called in and didn't want an AA code now. Always ask them to hold it and then check on AA.com before you confirm the changes.
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Old Feb 11, 2026 | 9:13 pm
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Hi All, Appreciate your expert review comments of this DONE5, I'm a bit rusty on the rules and keen to see if this qualifies.

HND-LHR,MAN-MAD-GIG,BOG-DFW-YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER-ADL-MEL,ADL-PER-HKG-CTS-SIN-CTS,AKJ-HND

This is partly a business trip and non-negotiable stops are MAN, GIG, BOG, YYZ and PER.

Add'l logic - trying to avoid APD in LHR, also wanting to maximise Finnair tier points hence YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER (AA) vs YYZ-HKG-PER (CX) or the various QF alternatives

Thanks
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Old Feb 11, 2026 | 9:25 pm
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Hi All, Appreciate your expert review comments of this DONE5, I'm a bit rusty on the rules and keen to see if this qualifies.

HND-LHR,MAN-MAD-GIG,BOG-DFW-YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER-ADL-MEL,ADL-PER-HKG-CTS-SIN-CTS,AKJ-HND

This is partly a business trip and non-negotiable stops are MAN, GIG, BOG, YYZ and PER.

Add'l logic - trying to avoid APD in LHR, also wanting to maximise Finnair tier points hence YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER (AA) vs YYZ-HKG-PER (CX) or the various QF alternatives

Thanks
First reaction: too many segments. Maximum allowed 16, both flight segments and surface segments.
A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper

Second reaction: You are allowed only one departure from the country of origin and one arrival back. You have two of each.

Third: APD is a UK tax. If you stay more than 24hrs in the UK then you will be charged it.

Fourth: You are allowed only two stopovers in your continent of origin - it is unclear how many you have

General comment: you say you're a bit rusty on the rules - so it might be worth your while to refresh your memory of them by reading through the User Guide wiki
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Old Feb 11, 2026 | 9:33 pm
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Damn , thanks - bloody chatGPT I had thought surface sectors counted but it said they do'nt - should not have believed it. OK well then the new look journey would be:

HND-LHR-GIG,BOG-DFW-YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER-ADL-PER-HKG-CTS-SIN-CTS-HND

Does that look ok? Have to suck up the Heathrow APD

Does anyone know if AA codeshares on QF metal count for Finnair multiplier (AA - 275% vs QF - 125%)
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Old Feb 11, 2026 | 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by paul4471
Damn , thanks - bloody chatGPT I had thought surface sectors counted but it said they do'nt - should not have believed it. OK well then the new look journey would be:

HND-LHR-GIG,BOG-DFW-YYZ-DFW-LAX-BNE-PER-ADL-PER-HKG-CTS-SIN-CTS-HND

Does that look ok? Have to suck up the Heathrow APD

Does anyone know if AA codeshares on QF metal count for Finnair multiplier (AA - 275% vs QF - 125%)
Better, but not there yet!
I have added more comments to your earlier post, which you may have missed.
The issues with your new itinerary are repeated returns to your country of origin, and too many stopovers in your continent of origin (max of two allowed)
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Old Feb 11, 2026 | 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by paul4471
....I had thought surface sectors counted but it said they don't - should not have believed it.......
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Does anyone know if AA codeshares on QF metal count for Finnair multiplier (AA - 275% vs QF - 125%)..
Surface sectors count in the 16 total, but not in the continent count. Had this come up several times in recent posts
OW Rules https://www.oneworld.com/round-the-world FAQ What are RTW rules leads to
https://assets.ctfassets.net/m9ph4qv...5_DEC_2025.pdf

And a useful QF guide (2018) https://www.qantas.com/content/dam/q...continents.pdf

In OW the marketed flights determine earnings. So if you can get as AA codeshare D class should be OK. Those ffp's with revenue based earnings can be more complicated.



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Old Feb 12, 2026 | 1:15 am
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Thankyou both, and yep I'll try brush up. Having to book these at very short notice so scrambling to try find availability and get it all in order but always trying to make at least reasonable use of the available segments.

Having now searched D Avail, I think I've landed on this then: NRT-xFRA-LHR-GIG,BOG-xMIA-LGA-YYZ-xSEA-YVR-xSYD-PER-ADL-PER-HKG-SIN-HND
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Old Feb 12, 2026 | 9:35 am
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Keep in mind that what you find in "D" availability on publicly available tools is not necessarily the same as what is actually available for RTW tickets.

I find it to be more of an issue with "A" fares on first class RTWs.
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Old Feb 12, 2026 | 9:48 am
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Keep in mind that what you find in "D" availability on publicly available tools is not necessarily the same as what is actually available for RTW tickets.

I find it to be more of an issue with "A" fares on first class RTWs.
This.
But I realize people like to think Expertflyer is the final answer on availability for all ticketing situations (it's not).
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Old Feb 12, 2026 | 11:52 am
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Keep in mind that what you find in "D" availability on publicly available tools is not necessarily the same as what is actually available for RTW tickets.

I find it to be more of an issue with "A" fares on first class RTWs.
A well-informed BA agent said as much about a change I was trying to make. I thought the issue was purely about married segments, so was scratching my head when EF showed D2 on those flights. She said Point of Commencement is factored in too. Those combination of factors isn't available from any public sources, AFAIK, though ExpertFlyer are aware this is a weakness of its current service.
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Old Feb 12, 2026 | 12:05 pm
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Surface sectors count in the 16 total, but the in the continent count. Had this come up several times in recent posts
One of my ex CAI rtws contained 17 segments if counting the unflown surface sector between origin and destination (within ME such as CAI AMM).
Not sure if that was overlooked because of numerous changes I had to do or if that is permitted by the rules.
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