Oneworld booking and pricing experiences
#1846
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I guess this depends on your motivation. If you just want to fly a lot of miles and get status flying a long AA segment might suit you. I wanted to get specific flights and not be forced to AA just to have them ticket. As you mentioned YMMV and not everyone in the community will benefit from a long AA leg.
#1847




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#1848
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Well, I'm sorry but that's incorrect. I'm judging QF the airline because I had a series of bad experiences with them. The point is solely to let people know that there are other ways of booking DONEx that don't involve QF. As always, YMMV. End of story. Have a nice day.
#1849




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It sounds like CargoHoldFlyer has the right theory. First overwater carrier determines the fare used. QR has higher DONEx fares than BA ex-CAI, so if you choose "...DOH-BOS..." then the QR fare below kicks in. Note that this is separate from the carrier that actually tickets the booking (QF for the majority/all of oneworld.com bookings).


#1850
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I'm not sure about that theory to be honest because I just changed mine and dropped RJ. The price went down about AU$250 from lower YQ and taxes going QR to DOH directly. I know QF adamantly reprices everything so if that were the case wouldn't they now be using the QR fare instead if the RJ or QF fare? I do recall the QR fare being at least $200 more than the ones priced in EGP.
Then my hunch is that dropping AMM in the beginning and going CAI-DOH-CGK does not change the fare basis that your ticket is priced on.
Last edited by izzik; Mar 19, 2024 at 7:58 am
#1851


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Not sure that's it. When I start building the itinerary, the default for the first overwater segment is AMM-LHR-BOS on BA, which is priced on the bottom section as $6545. When I switch that to QR, the price jumps north of $10000, which would align with what you're saying.
If I continue on with that fare where the the first overwater section is DOH and switch the final leg from AKL-DOH on QR to AKL-MEL-SIN-DOH with AKL-MEL-SIN on QF and SIN-DOH on QR, though, the price drops back down to $7398 AUD.
If I continue on with that fare where the the first overwater section is DOH and switch the final leg from AKL-DOH on QR to AKL-MEL-SIN-DOH with AKL-MEL-SIN on QF and SIN-DOH on QR, though, the price drops back down to $7398 AUD.
#1852

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Regarding several comments about using AA for an overwater segment, I would not avoid using them if they offer a flight to where I want to go. Just look at the other forums here on FT and you will find that all of the airlines have 'bad' service/seats/etc. Just a matter of degree. Remember, this is a great deal and I have been flying RTW from the paper ticket days.
#1853


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It sounds like CargoHoldFlyer has the right theory. First overwater carrier determines the fare used. QR has higher DONEx fares than BA ex-CAI, so if you choose "...DOH-BOS..." then the QR fare below kicks in. Note that this is separate from the carrier that actually tickets the booking (QF for the majority/all of oneworld.com bookings).
#1854


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There's a QR A segment from AMM-DOH. That could be the bug the tool is battling, but it shouldn't be that way: having the end be AKL-SYD-SIN-DOH as opposed to AKL-DOH shouldn't make it a DONE fare again.
#1855
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This is all speculation and so I cannot answer your question with certainty. Again, YMMV.
I would suggest contacting a travel agent with GDS access to understand why your trip is pricing the way it is.
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I have no idea what your itinerary is, let alone what fare it's priced on.
This is all speculation and so I cannot answer your question with certainty. Again, YMMV.
I would suggest contacting a travel agent with GDS access to understand why your trip is pricing the way it is.
This is all speculation and so I cannot answer your question with certainty. Again, YMMV.
I would suggest contacting a travel agent with GDS access to understand why your trip is pricing the way it is.
#1857
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The itinerary is here. I understand that you can not answer my question with certainty, but this is a thread to discuss Oneworld pricing and is often used to discuss the RTW tool. I've identified what appears to be a significant bug and so I'm trying to discuss it so we can understand it and see if there's any way for us to benefit.
#1858




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If this was your original routing: CAI-AMM-DOH-CGK (RJ, QR, QR), CGK-NRT (JL), HND-BKK (JL), BKK-HND-JFK (JL), JFK-CLT-STL (AA), STL-SEA (AS), SEA-DOH (QR), DOH-NBO (QR), NBO-DOH-CAI (QR)
Then my hunch is that dropping AMM in the beginning and going CAI-DOH-CGK does not change the fare basis that your ticket is priced on.
Then my hunch is that dropping AMM in the beginning and going CAI-DOH-CGK does not change the fare basis that your ticket is priced on.
I have no idea what your itinerary is, let alone what fare it's priced on.
This is all speculation and so I cannot answer your question with certainty. Again, YMMV.
I would suggest contacting a travel agent with GDS access to understand why your trip is pricing the way it is.
This is all speculation and so I cannot answer your question with certainty. Again, YMMV.
I would suggest contacting a travel agent with GDS access to understand why your trip is pricing the way it is.
I actually tried to go through an agent the first time I booked one of these but they couldn't get my routing to work when I could 'rig' the OW tool to do it. Much to my dismay that was a QF issued ticket and I learned many lessons along the way.
There are A LOT of QF first timers in this thread now with the ex-CAI fare, but trust me do your research and you'll learn how to manage QF.
#1859



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I'm with izzik on this.
I priced DONE3 ex-CAI with AA RTW desk. I started with CAI-DOH-HKG all on QR and the base price was close to the image that izzik posted above. I asked AA to replace with CAI-AMM-BKK on RJ as the start and it reduced to the base fare that the Oneworld Explorer tool quoted. Saving some $6000 of my CAD pesos for two of us.
Though this is my first *ONE*. So...
I priced DONE3 ex-CAI with AA RTW desk. I started with CAI-DOH-HKG all on QR and the base price was close to the image that izzik posted above. I asked AA to replace with CAI-AMM-BKK on RJ as the start and it reduced to the base fare that the Oneworld Explorer tool quoted. Saving some $6000 of my CAD pesos for two of us.
Though this is my first *ONE*. So...
Last edited by NotJustDreaming; Mar 19, 2024 at 11:13 am Reason: Correct airports AMM-HKG to AMM-BKK
#1860




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I'm with izzik on this.
I priced DONE3 ex-CAI with AA RTW desk. I started with CAI-DOH-HKT all on QR and the base price was close to the image that izzik posted above. I asked AA to replace with CAI-AMM-HKT on RJ as the start and it reduced to the base fare that the Oneworld Explorer tool quoted. Saving some $6000 of my CAD pesos for two of us.
Though this is my first *ONE*. So...
I priced DONE3 ex-CAI with AA RTW desk. I started with CAI-DOH-HKT all on QR and the base price was close to the image that izzik posted above. I asked AA to replace with CAI-AMM-HKT on RJ as the start and it reduced to the base fare that the Oneworld Explorer tool quoted. Saving some $6000 of my CAD pesos for two of us.
Though this is my first *ONE*. So...



