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Sep 11, 2023 | 11:09 am
#1516
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 7,220
To answer your question, while AA RTW desk may insist that the first overwater flight be on AA code, this is not a ticketing requirement by itself. AA technically has the capability to issue the ticket, but whether AA is willing to is another story. The first sector certainly does not need to be on AA code, as in many cases an AA code would not be available. For travel agents, having the first inter-TC (TPAC, TATL, or Europe/ME/Africa to Asia/Oceania) on a particular carrier would default the plating carrier to be that carrier, but this can be overridden with the desired plating carrier's approval.
Code:
WQOSL/AAA15SEP/CD/XLHR/AAA/CDJFK/AAS/CDSEA/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDSYD/AJL/CDHND/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA/B8SEP23
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DGLOB34 D/D/D/D/* USD 5352.00 1302.05 6654.05 ADT
02 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* USD 5408.00 1302.51 6710.51 ADT
03 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* USD 6176.00 1309.40 7485.40 ADT
04 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* USD 6967.00 1416.45 8383.45 ADT
*01-04*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-04*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-04*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-04*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
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WQ2
1 AAOPEND 15SEP 5 OSLLHR DS1
2 AAOPEND LHRJFK DS1
3 ASOPEND JFKSEA DS1
4 ASOPEND SEALAX DS1
5 AAOPEND LAXSYD DS1
6 JLOPEND SYDHND DS1
7 QROPEND HNDDOH DS1
8 QROPEND DOHOSL DS1
PSGR TYPE ADT - 02
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
OSL
XLON AA D 15SEP DONE4 15SEP 15SEP 02P
NYC AA D OPEN DONE4 16SEP 16SEP 02P
SEA AS D OPEN DONE4 17SEP 17SEP 02P
XLAX AS D OPEN DONE4 18SEP 18SEP 02P
SYD AA D OPEN DONE4 19SEP 19SEP 02P
TYO JL D OPEN DONE4 20SEP 20SEP 02P
XDOH QR D OPEN DONE4 21SEP 21SEP 02P
OSL QR D OPEN DONE4 22SEP 22SEP 02P
FARE NOK 57959 EQUIV USD 5408.00
TAX USD 29.90G2 USD 10.90ZN USD 1261.71XT
TOTAL USD 6710.51
MD
ADT-01 DONE4
OSL AA X/LON AA NYC AS SEA AS X/LAX AA SYD JL TYO QR X/DOH QR
OSL5675.60NUC5675.60END ROE10.211949 ZPJFKSEA
XT USD52.80UB USD48.46US USD9.60ZP USD42.20US USD6.52YC
XT USD7.00XY USD3.83XA USD11.20AY USD38.30AU USD40.00WY
XT USD20.00SW USD0.70OI USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4
XT USD282.00YR USD642.60YQ USD6.80TK USD2.70R9
XT USD13.50XFJFK4.5SEA4.5LAX4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF
TKT/TL09SEP23/0001
RATE USED 1NOK-0.09331275USD
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-8
ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-8
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1
ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-8
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - AA
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
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WQDF2
WQDF2
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 57959 EQUIV USD 5408.00
TAX USD 29.90G2 USD 10.90ZN USD 1261.71XT
TOTAL USD 6710.51
OSL AA X/LON AA NYC AS SEA AS X/LAX AA SYD JL TYO QR X/DOH QR OS
L5675.60NUC5675.60END ROE10.211949 ZPJFKSEA
XT USD52.80UB USD48.46US USD9.60ZP USD42.20US USD6.52YC
XT USD7.00XY USD3.83XA USD11.20AY USD38.30AU USD40.00WY
XT USD20.00SW USD0.70OI USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4
XT USD282.00YR USD642.60YQ USD6.80TK USD2.70R9 USD13.50XFJFK4.5S
EA4.5LAX4.5
RATE USED 1NOK-0.09331275USD
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN DFW ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
01 DONE4 NOK 5675.60 OSL-OSL AA /RT RTG RW
5675.60 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/USD/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
282.00 /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
250.00:USD 250.00 *LHR* *AA* 9592500
16.00:USD 16.00 *HND* *QR* 10007
16.00:USD 16.00 *HND* *QR* 10007
639.00 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
219.00:USD 219.00 *SYD* *JL* 1057374
420.00:USD 420.00 *HND* *QR* 888
MD
3.60 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
3.60:USD 3.60 *SYD* *JL* 9040090
38.30 AU/AU PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE PMC
38.30:AUD 60.00 *SYD* *JL* 001 21250
20.00 AU/WY PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
20.00:AUD 31.28 *SYD* *JL* 001 287500
20.00 AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
20.00:AUD 31.28 *LAX* *AA* 002 289375
52.80 GB/UB PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
52.80:GBP 42.14 *LHR* *AA* 001 4719958
0.70 JP/OI PASSENGER SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE
0.70:JPY 100 *HND* *QR* 001 75025
20.00 JP/SW PASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE
20.00:JPY 2950 *HND* *QR* 001 475000
6.80 JP/TK INTERNATIONAL TOURIST TAX
6.80:JPY 1000 *HND* *QR* 001 100000
29.90 NO/G2 AIR PASSENGER TAX
29.90:NOK 320 *OSL* *AA* 001 160000
10.90 NO/ZN PASSENGER CHARGE
10.90:NOK 117 *OSL* *AA* 001 112500
16.50 QA/G4 PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE PFC
16.50:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 105000
0.50 QA/PZ2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE ARRIVALS
MD
0.50:USD 0.50 *HND* *QR* 002 110000
16.50 QA/QA AIRPORT FEE INTERNATIONAL
16.50:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 25000
2.70 QA/R9 PASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE PS
2.70:QAR 10.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 110000
11.20 US/AY PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE
5.60:USD 5.60 *JFK* 001 828212
5.60:USD 5.60 *SEA* 001 828212
48.46 US/US1 TRANSPORTATION TAX DOMESTIC NOT WHOL
34.73:USD 34.73 *JFK* *AS* 012 510000
13.73:USD 13.73 *SEA* *AS* 012 510000
42.20 US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP
21.10:USD 21.10 *LAX* *AA* 014 187890
21.10:USD 21.10 *OSL* *AA* 015 137890
3.83 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
3.83:USD 3.83 *LHR* *AA* 001 112500
7.00 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
7.00:USD 7.00 *LHR* *AA* 002 130000
6.52 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
6.52:USD 6.52 *LHR* *AA* 001 125000
9.60 US/ZP FLIGHT SEGMENT TAX DOMESTIC
4.80:USD 4.80 *JFK* 001 138750
4.80:USD 4.80 *SEA* 001 138750
MD
13.50 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
4.50:USD 4.50 *JFK*
4.50:USD 4.50 *SEA*
4.50:USD 4.50 *LAX*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
10.2119490 NOK-ROE EFF 01SEP23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN FARE CALCULATION ---------------------------------
1NOK:0.09331275USD
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1AUD:0.63830607USD 1GBP:1.25378973USD
1JPY:0.00677938USD 1NOK:0.09331275USD
1QAR:0.27461211USD
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - NORMAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
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Sep 11, 2023 | 11:31 am
#1517
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: UK
Programs: BA GGL
Posts: 1,535
Using AA code for OSL-xLHR-JFK would make your YQ/YR total a bit lower. My calculation is 1302.51USD if you ticketed on 08SEP. Please always provide the marketing carrier booked, not the operating carrier, for RTW YQ/YR calculations, as the operating carrier does not matter.
To answer your question, while AA RTW desk may insist that the first overwater flight be on AA code, this is not a ticketing requirement by itself. AA technically has the capability to issue the ticket, but whether AA is willing to is another story. The first sector certainly does not need to be on AA code, as in many cases an AA code would not be available. For travel agents, having the first inter-TC (TPAC, TATL, or Europe/ME/Africa to Asia/Oceania) on a particular carrier would default the plating carrier to be that carrier, but this can be overridden with the desired plating carrier's approval.
To answer your question, while AA RTW desk may insist that the first overwater flight be on AA code, this is not a ticketing requirement by itself. AA technically has the capability to issue the ticket, but whether AA is willing to is another story. The first sector certainly does not need to be on AA code, as in many cases an AA code would not be available. For travel agents, having the first inter-TC (TPAC, TATL, or Europe/ME/Africa to Asia/Oceania) on a particular carrier would default the plating carrier to be that carrier, but this can be overridden with the desired plating carrier's approval.
Code:
WQOSL/AAA15SEP/CD/XLHR/AAA/CDJFK/AAS/CDSEA/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDSYD/AJL/CDHND/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDOSL-RW/SDFW/TDFW/VAA/B8SEP23 PSGR TYPE ADT FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL 01 DGLOB34 D/D/D/D/* USD 5352.00 1302.05 6654.05 ADT 02 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* USD 5408.00 1302.51 6710.51 ADT 03 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* USD 6176.00 1309.40 7485.40 ADT 04 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* USD 6967.00 1416.45 8383.45 ADT *01-04*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY *01-04*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED *01-04*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED *01-04*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES ** ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE CONFIRMED ** . WQ2 1 AAOPEND 15SEP 5 OSLLHR DS1 2 AAOPEND LHRJFK DS1 3 ASOPEND JFKSEA DS1 4 ASOPEND SEALAX DS1 5 AAOPEND LAXSYD DS1 6 JLOPEND SYDHND DS1 7 QROPEND HNDDOH DS1 8 QROPEND DOHOSL DS1 PSGR TYPE ADT - 02 CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG OSL XLON AA D 15SEP DONE4 15SEP 15SEP 02P NYC AA D OPEN DONE4 16SEP 16SEP 02P SEA AS D OPEN DONE4 17SEP 17SEP 02P XLAX AS D OPEN DONE4 18SEP 18SEP 02P SYD AA D OPEN DONE4 19SEP 19SEP 02P TYO JL D OPEN DONE4 20SEP 20SEP 02P XDOH QR D OPEN DONE4 21SEP 21SEP 02P OSL QR D OPEN DONE4 22SEP 22SEP 02P FARE NOK 57959 EQUIV USD 5408.00 TAX USD 29.90G2 USD 10.90ZN USD 1261.71XT TOTAL USD 6710.51 MD ADT-01 DONE4 OSL AA X/LON AA NYC AS SEA AS X/LAX AA SYD JL TYO QR X/DOH QR OSL5675.60NUC5675.60END ROE10.211949 ZPJFKSEA XT USD52.80UB USD48.46US USD9.60ZP USD42.20US USD6.52YC XT USD7.00XY USD3.83XA USD11.20AY USD38.30AU USD40.00WY XT USD20.00SW USD0.70OI USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 XT USD282.00YR USD642.60YQ USD6.80TK USD2.70R9 XT USD13.50XFJFK4.5SEA4.5LAX4.5 ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF TKT/TL09SEP23/0001 RATE USED 1NOK-0.09331275USD ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-8 ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-8 ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1 ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-8 ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - AA ** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES ** ** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE CONFIRMED ** . WQDF2 WQDF2 PSGR TYPE ADT FARE NOK 57959 EQUIV USD 5408.00 TAX USD 29.90G2 USD 10.90ZN USD 1261.71XT TOTAL USD 6710.51 OSL AA X/LON AA NYC AS SEA AS X/LAX AA SYD JL TYO QR X/DOH QR OS L5675.60NUC5675.60END ROE10.211949 ZPJFKSEA XT USD52.80UB USD48.46US USD9.60ZP USD42.20US USD6.52YC XT USD7.00XY USD3.83XA USD11.20AY USD38.30AU USD40.00WY XT USD20.00SW USD0.70OI USD16.50QA USD0.50PZ USD16.50G4 XT USD282.00YR USD642.60YQ USD6.80TK USD2.70R9 USD13.50XFJFK4.5S EA4.5LAX4.5 RATE USED 1NOK-0.09331275USD /////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN DFW /////////////// PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI 01 DONE4 NOK 5675.60 OSL-OSL AA /RT RTG RW 5675.60 - TOTAL NUC -TAX AMT/USD/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE-- 282.00 /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC 250.00:USD 250.00 *LHR* *AA* 9592500 16.00:USD 16.00 *HND* *QR* 10007 16.00:USD 16.00 *HND* *QR* 10007 639.00 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL 219.00:USD 219.00 *SYD* *JL* 1057374 420.00:USD 420.00 *HND* *QR* 888 MD 3.60 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC 3.60:USD 3.60 *SYD* *JL* 9040090 38.30 AU/AU PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE PMC 38.30:AUD 60.00 *SYD* *JL* 001 21250 20.00 AU/WY PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE 20.00:AUD 31.28 *SYD* *JL* 001 287500 20.00 AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN 20.00:AUD 31.28 *LAX* *AA* 002 289375 52.80 GB/UB PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES 52.80:GBP 42.14 *LHR* *AA* 001 4719958 0.70 JP/OI PASSENGER SECURITY SERVICE CHARGE 0.70:JPY 100 *HND* *QR* 001 75025 20.00 JP/SW PASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE 20.00:JPY 2950 *HND* *QR* 001 475000 6.80 JP/TK INTERNATIONAL TOURIST TAX 6.80:JPY 1000 *HND* *QR* 001 100000 29.90 NO/G2 AIR PASSENGER TAX 29.90:NOK 320 *OSL* *AA* 001 160000 10.90 NO/ZN PASSENGER CHARGE 10.90:NOK 117 *OSL* *AA* 001 112500 16.50 QA/G4 PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE PFC 16.50:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 105000 0.50 QA/PZ2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE ARRIVALS MD 0.50:USD 0.50 *HND* *QR* 002 110000 16.50 QA/QA AIRPORT FEE INTERNATIONAL 16.50:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 25000 2.70 QA/R9 PASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE PS 2.70:QAR 10.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 110000 11.20 US/AY PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE 5.60:USD 5.60 *JFK* 001 828212 5.60:USD 5.60 *SEA* 001 828212 48.46 US/US1 TRANSPORTATION TAX DOMESTIC NOT WHOL 34.73:USD 34.73 *JFK* *AS* 012 510000 13.73:USD 13.73 *SEA* *AS* 012 510000 42.20 US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP 21.10:USD 21.10 *LAX* *AA* 014 187890 21.10:USD 21.10 *OSL* *AA* 015 137890 3.83 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS 3.83:USD 3.83 *LHR* *AA* 001 112500 7.00 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE 7.00:USD 7.00 *LHR* *AA* 002 130000 6.52 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE 6.52:USD 6.52 *LHR* *AA* 001 125000 9.60 US/ZP FLIGHT SEGMENT TAX DOMESTIC 4.80:USD 4.80 *JFK* 001 138750 4.80:USD 4.80 *SEA* 001 138750 MD 13.50 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE 4.50:USD 4.50 *JFK* 4.50:USD 4.50 *SEA* 4.50:USD 4.50 *LAX* -IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION -------------- 10.2119490 NOK-ROE EFF 01SEP23*INDEF -BSR USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------------------------- 1NOK:0.09331275USD -BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ---------------------------------- 1AUD:0.63830607USD 1GBP:1.25378973USD 1JPY:0.00677938USD 1NOK:0.09331275USD 1QAR:0.27461211USD -PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE --------------------------------------- PU 01 - NORMAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT .
Sep 11, 2023 | 11:40 am
#1518
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA ExPl, BA Gold, DL Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Lifetime Platinum, probably some others
Posts: 4,933
I will be booking my first RTW next year. As a BA Gold member I would get more Avios using the BA code (if there is one) rather than the operating carrier, but would incur higher charges. Would the increase in charges outweigh the value of the earned Avios? I assume that Avios will continue to be earned using the current method based on distance travelled rather than spend for RTW?
Sep 11, 2023 | 12:05 pm
#1519
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 7,220
As I calculated above, specifically for a start using OSL-xLHR-JFK based on the current rate, the difference between using AA code vs. BA code is 1320.85-1302.51=18.34USD, when plated on AA. The BA charge being slightly higher.
Sep 25, 2023 | 2:58 pm
#1520
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Andover, MA, 01810
Posts: 1,988
Originally Posted by BNELHR;35525690
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incredibly[/i] painful - only go through CX if you have time on your hands and access to a good CX agent. Here is my experience:Ineptitude / Internal Politics: It was confirmed to me that the (internal CX) "Oneworld desk" still exists. But customers are not allowed to speak directly to them. The instruction from the desk is that, if a customer requests an RTW ticket, CX Global Contact Centre personnel are to use the OW online RTW tool to check availability and price xONEx tickets. As we all know, that is rubbish so, correspondingly, GCC agents typically tell you that a valid itinerary is invalid because of bugs in the tool. I had to really push them to prove that my routing was valid before they would escalate to the Oneworld desk for manual approval; I was able to do this by giving them my Amadeus PNR for the same routing made through AA RTW desk (and which AA had rated so I could handover the pricing too for them to verify). GCCs can, at least, hold inventory pending Oneworld desk approval, but they are unable to price until manually approved by Oneworld desk if the agent can't price it through the OW online RTW tool.
Sep 26, 2023 | 10:15 pm
#1521
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
I want to get a ticket issued by CX, but I have not been able to get as far as BNELHR. I tried a couple of times with their WhatsApp chat and I asked them to book what I want and send it to the oneworld desk, but they insist that they are unable to book other airlines at all. Apparently I just don't know the magic words to get this done. Maybe it will work if I call. The oneworld site does not even show the flights that I want.
Really didn't want to call because I know CX takes a while to get it done on the phone and I think I've got a forced broken married segment that the OW site is allowing but has D0 as a married segment.
Sep 29, 2023 | 12:49 am
#1523
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
Just finished mine with CX. I made a couple of concessions to get it to work online, I only lose about 8,000 miles but I also saved $6-700 so it's a win I guess.
A couple of good data points for others booking in the future, this would only affect ex-Japan since YQ/YR is relatively low originating from here. There's always a lot of discussion using AA codes vs QF codes with QF's very high fees on TPAC. On the OW site it doesn't give you codeshare options, so I initially had AA43 AKL-DFW. Before paying (the OW site does look like you'll pay directly there, but they actually end up just giving you a PNR and you have to call for a payment link from CX), I got in touch with CX and checked the price difference to use the QF 4396 code. QF was only 2,000 JPY more (about $15) so I changed it, don't want to risk AAdvantage shafting me trying to credit by revenue method (even though if the AA code credits as distance it's 25% more miles. ) I really wish AAdvantage would give a definitive answer on that.
WhatsApp for CX seems more competent than the phone, but that's only a sample size of 1 so far. The phone agent couldn't do the change to the QF code, said it gave her an error and didn't know how to contact the OneWorld team. WhatsApp agent made the change in 30 seconds and issued a new payment link right away with the very slight price increase.
Overall happy with the ticket I booked but took a lot of fiddling around with the site to get it to work. Also got the very last D availability ex-Japan to AKL on CX for that week I want to leave.
(married segment issue, otherwise plenty to HKG or even married segments to SYD). A couple of frustrating points I encountered, it'd only give me this CX flight ex-Japan if I select CX as my preferred airline otherwise it insists I have to use QF to SYD, BNE, or MEL to get to AKL, but that also means my very final leg, MNL-TYO, it won't offer any JL flights, only CX wasting a segment that I could have used somewhere else. I could have remedied that on the phone, but didn't really feel like trying, it's a few hours in the Pier at HKG I guess, not the end of the world. It also errors out with EBB-CAI, for some reason it doesn't see the QR flights, I had to enter those separately but it didn't give me the "waitlist" error that it usually does when you break married segments. I suppose the married segment was available just the OW site can't handle those city pairs directly. It had no problems with EBB-AUH on QR however, so was a bit odd since that's the same region. Unfortunately though the UL deal ex-AUH only has 6 months validity and I needed 7, so have to do the RJ one ex-CAI instead since that's a 12 month validity. Again there, I end up saving a bit of money / miles going that route but despise CAI airport so much I'd rather do UL.
Edit: Forgot to include the price for a data point: DONE5 including CX, QF code on AA, AA, and QR. Total 1,020,000 JPY which hit my credit card at about $6800 thanks to the absolutely awful JPY exchange rate at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised to see these eventually get repriced unless the BOJ pulls their head out of the sand and fixes the yen, so enjoy it while it's still this attractive. If you're booking this with CX, on their payment site it offers to let you pay in your most convenient currency... don't do it, it's just another dynamic conversion scam, it quoted me $7100 which is quite a markup.
A couple of good data points for others booking in the future, this would only affect ex-Japan since YQ/YR is relatively low originating from here. There's always a lot of discussion using AA codes vs QF codes with QF's very high fees on TPAC. On the OW site it doesn't give you codeshare options, so I initially had AA43 AKL-DFW. Before paying (the OW site does look like you'll pay directly there, but they actually end up just giving you a PNR and you have to call for a payment link from CX), I got in touch with CX and checked the price difference to use the QF 4396 code. QF was only 2,000 JPY more (about $15) so I changed it, don't want to risk AAdvantage shafting me trying to credit by revenue method (even though if the AA code credits as distance it's 25% more miles.
) I really wish AAdvantage would give a definitive answer on that.WhatsApp for CX seems more competent than the phone, but that's only a sample size of 1 so far. The phone agent couldn't do the change to the QF code, said it gave her an error and didn't know how to contact the OneWorld team. WhatsApp agent made the change in 30 seconds and issued a new payment link right away with the very slight price increase.
Overall happy with the ticket I booked but took a lot of fiddling around with the site to get it to work. Also got the very last D availability ex-Japan to AKL on CX for that week I want to leave.
(married segment issue, otherwise plenty to HKG or even married segments to SYD). A couple of frustrating points I encountered, it'd only give me this CX flight ex-Japan if I select CX as my preferred airline otherwise it insists I have to use QF to SYD, BNE, or MEL to get to AKL, but that also means my very final leg, MNL-TYO, it won't offer any JL flights, only CX wasting a segment that I could have used somewhere else. I could have remedied that on the phone, but didn't really feel like trying, it's a few hours in the Pier at HKG I guess, not the end of the world. It also errors out with EBB-CAI, for some reason it doesn't see the QR flights, I had to enter those separately but it didn't give me the "waitlist" error that it usually does when you break married segments. I suppose the married segment was available just the OW site can't handle those city pairs directly. It had no problems with EBB-AUH on QR however, so was a bit odd since that's the same region. Unfortunately though the UL deal ex-AUH only has 6 months validity and I needed 7, so have to do the RJ one ex-CAI instead since that's a 12 month validity. Again there, I end up saving a bit of money / miles going that route but despise CAI airport so much I'd rather do UL.Edit: Forgot to include the price for a data point: DONE5 including CX, QF code on AA, AA, and QR. Total 1,020,000 JPY which hit my credit card at about $6800 thanks to the absolutely awful JPY exchange rate at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised to see these eventually get repriced unless the BOJ pulls their head out of the sand and fixes the yen, so enjoy it while it's still this attractive. If you're booking this with CX, on their payment site it offers to let you pay in your most convenient currency... don't do it, it's just another dynamic conversion scam, it quoted me $7100 which is quite a markup.
Last edited by dvs7310; Sep 29, 2023 at 11:15 pm
Sep 30, 2023 | 9:06 pm
#1524
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SORT OF HOMELESS
Programs: 14 years AA exp, but no more; & 1MM+, QR-PLT (ow EMD) MR-LTT, HH Gold
Posts: 8,104
Just finished mine with CX. I made a couple of concessions to get it to work online, I only lose about 8,000 miles but I also saved $6-700 so it's a win I guess.
A couple of good data points for others booking in the future, this would only affect ex-Japan since YQ/YR is relatively low originating from here. There's always a lot of discussion using AA codes vs QF codes with QF's very high fees on TPAC. On the OW site it doesn't give you codeshare options, so I initially had AA43 AKL-DFW. Before paying (the OW site does look like you'll pay directly there, but they actually end up just giving you a PNR and you have to call for a payment link from CX), I got in touch with CX and checked the price difference to use the QF 4396 code. QF was only 2,000 JPY more (about $15) so I changed it, don't want to risk AAdvantage shafting me trying to credit by revenue method (even though if the AA code credits as distance it's 25% more miles. ) I really wish AAdvantage would give a definitive answer on that.
WhatsApp for CX seems more competent than the phone, but that's only a sample size of 1 so far. The phone agent couldn't do the change to the QF code, said it gave her an error and didn't know how to contact the OneWorld team. WhatsApp agent made the change in 30 seconds and issued a new payment link right away with the very slight price increase.
Overall happy with the ticket I booked but took a lot of fiddling around with the site to get it to work. Also got the very last D availability ex-Japan to AKL on CX for that week I want to leave. (married segment issue, otherwise plenty to HKG or even married segments to SYD). A couple of frustrating points I encountered, it'd only give me this CX flight ex-Japan if I select CX as my preferred airline otherwise it insists I have to use QF to SYD, BNE, or MEL to get to AKL, but that also means my very final leg, MNL-TYO, it won't offer any JL flights, only CX wasting a segment that I could have used somewhere else. I could have remedied that on the phone, but didn't really feel like trying, it's a few hours in the Pier at HKG I guess, not the end of the world. It also errors out with EBB-CAI, for some reason it doesn't see the QR flights, I had to enter those separately but it didn't give me the "waitlist" error that it usually does when you break married segments. I suppose the married segment was available just the OW site can't handle those city pairs directly. It had no problems with EBB-AUH on QR however, so was a bit odd since that's the same region. Unfortunately though the UL deal ex-AUH only has 6 months validity and I needed 7, so have to do the RJ one ex-CAI instead since that's a 12 month validity. Again there, I end up saving a bit of money / miles going that route but despise CAI airport so much I'd rather do UL.
Edit: Forgot to include the price for a data point: DONE5 including CX, QF code on AA, AA, and QR. Total 1,020,000 JPY which hit my credit card at about $6800 thanks to the absolutely awful JPY exchange rate at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised to see these eventually get repriced unless the BOJ pulls their head out of the sand and fixes the yen, so enjoy it while it's still this attractive. If you're booking this with CX, on their payment site it offers to let you pay in your most convenient currency... don't do it, it's just another dynamic conversion scam, it quoted me $7100 which is quite a markup.
A couple of good data points for others booking in the future, this would only affect ex-Japan since YQ/YR is relatively low originating from here. There's always a lot of discussion using AA codes vs QF codes with QF's very high fees on TPAC. On the OW site it doesn't give you codeshare options, so I initially had AA43 AKL-DFW. Before paying (the OW site does look like you'll pay directly there, but they actually end up just giving you a PNR and you have to call for a payment link from CX), I got in touch with CX and checked the price difference to use the QF 4396 code. QF was only 2,000 JPY more (about $15) so I changed it, don't want to risk AAdvantage shafting me trying to credit by revenue method (even though if the AA code credits as distance it's 25% more miles.
) I really wish AAdvantage would give a definitive answer on that.WhatsApp for CX seems more competent than the phone, but that's only a sample size of 1 so far. The phone agent couldn't do the change to the QF code, said it gave her an error and didn't know how to contact the OneWorld team. WhatsApp agent made the change in 30 seconds and issued a new payment link right away with the very slight price increase.
Overall happy with the ticket I booked but took a lot of fiddling around with the site to get it to work. Also got the very last D availability ex-Japan to AKL on CX for that week I want to leave.
(married segment issue, otherwise plenty to HKG or even married segments to SYD). A couple of frustrating points I encountered, it'd only give me this CX flight ex-Japan if I select CX as my preferred airline otherwise it insists I have to use QF to SYD, BNE, or MEL to get to AKL, but that also means my very final leg, MNL-TYO, it won't offer any JL flights, only CX wasting a segment that I could have used somewhere else. I could have remedied that on the phone, but didn't really feel like trying, it's a few hours in the Pier at HKG I guess, not the end of the world. It also errors out with EBB-CAI, for some reason it doesn't see the QR flights, I had to enter those separately but it didn't give me the "waitlist" error that it usually does when you break married segments. I suppose the married segment was available just the OW site can't handle those city pairs directly. It had no problems with EBB-AUH on QR however, so was a bit odd since that's the same region. Unfortunately though the UL deal ex-AUH only has 6 months validity and I needed 7, so have to do the RJ one ex-CAI instead since that's a 12 month validity. Again there, I end up saving a bit of money / miles going that route but despise CAI airport so much I'd rather do UL.Edit: Forgot to include the price for a data point: DONE5 including CX, QF code on AA, AA, and QR. Total 1,020,000 JPY which hit my credit card at about $6800 thanks to the absolutely awful JPY exchange rate at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised to see these eventually get repriced unless the BOJ pulls their head out of the sand and fixes the yen, so enjoy it while it's still this attractive. If you're booking this with CX, on their payment site it offers to let you pay in your most convenient currency... don't do it, it's just another dynamic conversion scam, it quoted me $7100 which is quite a markup.
So your YQ, YR and taxes etc (above the Base price) was only 124,800 JPY (US$835.54, as I used forex today). That's the lowest I've seen or heard of! Great job. What other airlines do you fly other CX, AA, RJ and QR? No BA or AY? Just curious because of the low YQ+YR+taxes.
Oct 1, 2023 | 3:08 am
#1525
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
Good to hear that you succeeded.
So your YQ, YR and taxes etc (above the Base price) was only 124,800 JPY (US$835.54, as I used forex today). That's the lowest I've seen or heard of! Great job. What other airlines do you fly other CX, AA, RJ and QR? No BA or AY? Just curious because of the low YQ+YR+taxes.
So your YQ, YR and taxes etc (above the Base price) was only 124,800 JPY (US$835.54, as I used forex today). That's the lowest I've seen or heard of! Great job. What other airlines do you fly other CX, AA, RJ and QR? No BA or AY? Just curious because of the low YQ+YR+taxes.
My itinerary is NRT CX HKG CX AKL QF DFW AA SAL AA DFW QR DOH QR NBO (Surface to EBB) QR DOH QR CAI QR DOH QR DUB QR DOH QR MNL CX HKG CX. (The RJ I mentioned in my earlier post is nested in at CAI, it's the well known ex-CAI RJ deal in the Premium forum. I'll go back to CAI and continue the itinerary next summer) I can use BA CAI-LHR-DUB and it doesn't change it much. When I try SAL-NBO it breaks and won't price with BA or IB, if I broke it it in DFW maybe it would work, I didn't try but why would I fly BA over QR QSuites,
There's another option DUB-MNL on BA to LHR then CX, that adds 30,000 JPY, but I'm still very happy with QR on that route.Looking at my eticket now:
Base: 895200 JPY
Total Taxes and Airport Fees alone: 74,130 JPY which is quite a chunk but I have 2 transits in HKG which are extremely high.
YR: 50,490 JPY, no YQ at all.
Last year I had a QF issued DONE5 and was somewhat similar:
Base: 895,200
Taxes and Airport fees: 86,000
YR 25,050, no YQ
Total: 1,006,250 but QF comped some of the airport fees during an involuntary change adjustment, that's when I added CX flights via HKG that show on the eticket, but I actually paid 991,280 JPY on that one at the start.
Last edited by dvs7310; Oct 1, 2023 at 5:17 am
Oct 3, 2023 | 3:43 pm
#1527
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: London/Glasgow
Programs: BAEC Silver (lapsed HNL Gold), Avis Preferred, IHG Diamond Amb, Hilton Plat, Marriot Plat
Posts: 355
I'm trying to book a DGLOB34 at the moment and am pulling hair out over the definition of a stopover BA's fares team seem to be using.
The itinerary is OSL-HEL-LHR // LHR-DOH-SIN // SIN-SYD-ZQN // AKL-SYD-HNL // HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR // LHR-HEL-OSL where // indicates a stopover over 24h.
I have 14 segments including overland in New Zealand. I have 30,633 miles according to GC Mapper. I know the fare rules permit 2 stopovers in your starting zone, TC2 in this case, and the LHR stopovers account for this. Transfers in Helsinki are under 24h.
BA are saying that a 3h transfer in DOH counts as a stopover, so breaks the 2 stopovers in your starting zone rule, so are blocking this booking and insisting on a direct LHR-SIN routing. This has a net cost of 120 BA tier points, which is frustrating, and will likely mean flying a BA 777 instead of QSuite, as I'm assuming they won't allow QF2 on the QF A380, which is also frustrating.
Does anyone have experience of this? The HEL transfers have longer layovers than the DOH one, so I'm very lost.
Remarkably, I've been told by BA they use the OneWorld website to validate routings for RTW fares, which may be the issue. I suspect the solution is to book with QF or AA, but on previous RTW bookings the BA Newcastle team were superb and as a UK-based BAEC member I have a preference for booking with BA.
The itinerary is OSL-HEL-LHR // LHR-DOH-SIN // SIN-SYD-ZQN // AKL-SYD-HNL // HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR // LHR-HEL-OSL where // indicates a stopover over 24h.
I have 14 segments including overland in New Zealand. I have 30,633 miles according to GC Mapper. I know the fare rules permit 2 stopovers in your starting zone, TC2 in this case, and the LHR stopovers account for this. Transfers in Helsinki are under 24h.
BA are saying that a 3h transfer in DOH counts as a stopover, so breaks the 2 stopovers in your starting zone rule, so are blocking this booking and insisting on a direct LHR-SIN routing. This has a net cost of 120 BA tier points, which is frustrating, and will likely mean flying a BA 777 instead of QSuite, as I'm assuming they won't allow QF2 on the QF A380, which is also frustrating.
Does anyone have experience of this? The HEL transfers have longer layovers than the DOH one, so I'm very lost.
Remarkably, I've been told by BA they use the OneWorld website to validate routings for RTW fares, which may be the issue. I suspect the solution is to book with QF or AA, but on previous RTW bookings the BA Newcastle team were superb and as a UK-based BAEC member I have a preference for booking with BA.
Oct 4, 2023 | 7:58 pm
#1528
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 2
Looking to book a DONE5 with the following route: CAI-SHA-DEL-KUL-BKK-AKL-SYD-LAX-MEX-SAO-DOH-CAI.
The first leg (CAI-SHA) is routed as CAI-AMM-DOH-SHA through the oneworld site. Called into the Qantas RTW desk to see if CAI-DOH-SHA is bookable due to CAI-DOH having domestic A class availability on the date requested. Agent said they use the oneworld site to view availability so no luck there.
Anyone have experience booking something similar?
The first leg (CAI-SHA) is routed as CAI-AMM-DOH-SHA through the oneworld site. Called into the Qantas RTW desk to see if CAI-DOH-SHA is bookable due to CAI-DOH having domestic A class availability on the date requested. Agent said they use the oneworld site to view availability so no luck there.
Anyone have experience booking something similar?
Oct 4, 2023 | 8:28 pm
#1529
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, A3 Gold, Former UA 1K
Posts: 6,365
Looking to book a DONE5 with the following route: CAI-SHA-DEL-KUL-BKK-AKL-SYD-LAX-MEX-SAO-DOH-CAI.
The first leg (CAI-SHA) is routed as CAI-AMM-DOH-SHA through the oneworld site. Called into the Qantas RTW desk to see if CAI-DOH-SHA is bookable due to CAI-DOH having domestic A class availability on the date requested. Agent said they use the oneworld site to view availability so no luck there.
Anyone have experience booking something similar?
The first leg (CAI-SHA) is routed as CAI-AMM-DOH-SHA through the oneworld site. Called into the Qantas RTW desk to see if CAI-DOH-SHA is bookable due to CAI-DOH having domestic A class availability on the date requested. Agent said they use the oneworld site to view availability so no luck there.
Anyone have experience booking something similar?
BTW, what do you mean the Qantas RTW desk? I don't believe they have one anymore and from past experience their call centers are generally pretty useless for these tickets.
Oct 4, 2023 | 8:39 pm
#1530
Join Date: Oct 2023
Posts: 2
The OneWorld site won't book the first leg on QR, that's why it's pushing you to AMM for your first segment. Travel agents can book the first segment on QR however and believe AA can too.
BTW, what do you mean the Qantas RTW desk? I don't believe they have one anymore and from past experience their call centers are generally pretty useless for these tickets.
BTW, what do you mean the Qantas RTW desk? I don't believe they have one anymore and from past experience their call centers are generally pretty useless for these tickets.