SNA-LAX Counted as a Ground Segment. Why?
Dec 10, 2010 | 9:52 pm
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SNA-LAX Counted as a Ground Segment. Why?
We are flying into SNA (Santa Ana, CA) and out of LAX to HKG. Cathay Pacific in calculating the fare is treating SNA-LAX as a ground segment. Is this correct? It would seem that these should be treated as Los Angeles area airports.
This has been the case when we have flown out of DCA and back into IAD.
Any thoughts?
This has been the case when we have flown out of DCA and back into IAD.
Any thoughts?
Dec 10, 2010 | 9:54 pm
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what sort of ticket?
on oneworld explorers etc since the move to electronic ticketing there is now no such thing as 'city airports', everything is a flown/unflown segment
on oneworld explorers etc since the move to electronic ticketing there is now no such thing as 'city airports', everything is a flown/unflown segment
Dec 10, 2010 | 10:37 pm
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The paper ticket with open dating and the city code used to work, but I haven't heard reports recently.
And the rules are now pretty explicit
And the rules are now pretty explicit
A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
Dec 11, 2010 | 6:43 pm
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Dec 11, 2010 | 7:20 pm
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Dec 12, 2010 | 7:51 am
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I'm a bit out of touch, but can the e-ticketing systems all even do open-dated segments yet? I leave others to suggest countries that are still on paper; maybe they've all caught up in the last year or two.
Dec 27, 2010 | 11:27 pm
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the rules are now pretty explicit:
A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
Has something changed? I am about to have another RTW issued (16 segments which include a journey to NYC (into LGA, out of JFK). Are you saying that LGA-JFK will now be treated as an additional segment, thereby putting me over the 16 max?
Dec 28, 2010 | 12:29 am
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Which tax was charged for LON ?
Probably, higest one was charged ?
Dec 28, 2010 | 9:05 am
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Dec 28, 2010 | 10:05 am
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PSC(UB)
LHR
International Departure 22.97 GBP
Domestic Departure 13.43 GBP
Ireland Departure 17.38 GBP
LGW
International Departure 11.21 GBP
Domestic Departure 7.35 GBP
Ireland Departure 9.03 GBP
LCY
International Departure 24.76 GBP
Domestic Departure 24.26 GBP
LHR
International Departure 22.97 GBP
Domestic Departure 13.43 GBP
Ireland Departure 17.38 GBP
LGW
International Departure 11.21 GBP
Domestic Departure 7.35 GBP
Ireland Departure 9.03 GBP
LCY
International Departure 24.76 GBP
Domestic Departure 24.26 GBP
Dec 28, 2010 | 10:19 am
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In 15 years of using RTW tickets, 3 or 4 every year, I have never found that LON (LHR and LGW) were treated as different airports; likewise JFK, LGA and EWR have been treated as one (NYC).
Has something changed? I am about to have another RTW issued (16 segments which include a journey to NYC (into LGA, out of JFK). Are you saying that LGA-JFK will now be treated as an additional segment, thereby putting me over the 16 max?
Has something changed? I am about to have another RTW issued (16 segments which include a journey to NYC (into LGA, out of JFK). Are you saying that LGA-JFK will now be treated as an additional segment, thereby putting me over the 16 max?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-segments.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-best-out.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ickets-aa.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...neworld4u.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...t-maximum.html
And the rule:
(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each
continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4
((*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALGERIA, BOSNIA &
HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, ISRAEL, LIBYA,
MALTA, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA,
TUNISIA, UKRAINE.
*not more than 2 of which may be between Russia west of the Urals and Russia
east of the Urals)
whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as additional
coupons, or a combination of both)
North America 6
South America 4
South West Pacific 4
Two additional flight segments within each continent, except the continent of origin, may be
purchased. Each additional segment at a charge of:
First Class USD550 / AUD750 / GBP350 / HKD4300 / EUR450 / JPY65000
Business Class USD400 / AUD500 / GBP200 / HKD3200 / EUR300 / JPY48000
Economy Class USD150 / AUD200 / GBP75 / HKD1200 / EUR100 / JPY18000
The fare class of the purchased flight segments may be lower than that of the oneworld
Explorer.
The charge should be shown as Q in the fare calculation immediately following the city
pair.
If currency of ticket origin is not shown convert the USD amount at the BSR except origin
New Zealand convert the AUD amount at BSR.
any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each
continent are limited as follows:
Africa 4
Asia 4
Europe Middle East 4
((*not more than 2 of which may be between the UK and ALGERIA, BOSNIA &
HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, ISRAEL, LIBYA,
MALTA, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, PORTUGAL, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA,
TUNISIA, UKRAINE.
*not more than 2 of which may be between Russia west of the Urals and Russia
east of the Urals)
whether part of the free continent allowance of 4 coupons, purchased as additional
coupons, or a combination of both)
North America 6
South America 4
South West Pacific 4
Two additional flight segments within each continent, except the continent of origin, may be
purchased. Each additional segment at a charge of:
First Class USD550 / AUD750 / GBP350 / HKD4300 / EUR450 / JPY65000
Business Class USD400 / AUD500 / GBP200 / HKD3200 / EUR300 / JPY48000
Economy Class USD150 / AUD200 / GBP75 / HKD1200 / EUR100 / JPY18000
The fare class of the purchased flight segments may be lower than that of the oneworld
Explorer.
The charge should be shown as Q in the fare calculation immediately following the city
pair.
If currency of ticket origin is not shown convert the USD amount at the BSR except origin
New Zealand convert the AUD amount at BSR.