2010 Elite Program Announcement
#226
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Louis MO
Programs: Marriott PP, UA 1K, DL Plat, AA Life Gold, WN A-List
Posts: 382
Repeat. Beancounters Rule.
This is truly a race to the bottom. Harmonize the programs to the lowest common denominator. The previous business strategy of "be better than the competition, attract net new customers and thus make $" has been replaced with "be the same as the competition but squeeze the existing customers harder than the other guy and thus make $"
Beancounters Rule.
One can only wonder when DL will tire of issuing Diamond benefits and institute a new 5th tier, above Diamond. Or, maybe they already have; perhaps the infamous 2% Club is still alive and well, but now 2% of Diamonds.
#227
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 22,778
No, I do not believe anything DL or FTers tell me for that matter.
It's not at all unlikely, given other things being equal, that disallowing unlimited changes on award tickets to PLats can make award availability better. I reserve my judgment on this, unlike some others who have made up their mind.
And what was triple EQM? What is denying that triple EQMs were awarded when they were?
Why not give the Plat benefits with unlimited changes on award tix and SWUs to not just Golds's or Silvers but to all FFs? Why should the benefits be limited by tiers? Of course, the ideal solution would be to have more award inventory. But given that the overall capacity is lower than it was about a decade ago, a larger award inventory is unrealistic. Rationing is a rational solution. Those on one side of the cutoff will complain.
Last edited by Yaatri; Aug 10, 2009 at 6:37 am
#228
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,077
+1. Remember the key to DL's behavior these days, as MikeMpls said: Beancounters Rule.
Repeat. Beancounters Rule.
This is truly a race to the bottom. Harmonize the programs to the lowest common denominator. The previous business strategy of "be better than the competition, attract net new customers and thus make $" has been replaced with "be the same as the competition but squeeze the existing customers harder than the other guy and thus make $"
Beancounters Rule.
One can only wonder when DL will tire of issuing Diamond benefits and institute a new 5th tier, above Diamond. Or, maybe they already have; perhaps the infamous 2% Club is still alive and well, but now 2% of Diamonds.
Repeat. Beancounters Rule.
This is truly a race to the bottom. Harmonize the programs to the lowest common denominator. The previous business strategy of "be better than the competition, attract net new customers and thus make $" has been replaced with "be the same as the competition but squeeze the existing customers harder than the other guy and thus make $"
Beancounters Rule.
One can only wonder when DL will tire of issuing Diamond benefits and institute a new 5th tier, above Diamond. Or, maybe they already have; perhaps the infamous 2% Club is still alive and well, but now 2% of Diamonds.
#229
FlyerTalk Evangelist & Ambassador: China




Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA 1K, AA Exp, HH Dia, WOH Glob, IHG Plat, Marriott Gold, NA EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 17,494
Again, DL could have found a better solution to keep a similar perk while addressing the issue of so many unflown tickets, but clearly they utilized the opportunity to fleece and regive at a higher level.
#230




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EAU
Programs: UA 1K, CO Plat, NW Plat, Marriott Premiere Plat, SPG Plat, Priority Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 4,761
#231




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EAU
Programs: UA 1K, CO Plat, NW Plat, Marriott Premiere Plat, SPG Plat, Priority Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 4,761
But as we know, that's not what DL did. First they just stuck a fee on there for ALL changes no matter what, and they announced it in the middle of a marketing email. When there was considerable backlash, they adopted a two-free-changes policy, but never actually communicated in detail how that would work. Changes to two reservations? Changes to two tickets? Two changes even if to the same reservation? It's months later and I think we STILL don't have a clear answer on that issue.
#232

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Programs: AA Plat, UA Silver, DL Silver, Marriott Titanium, etc.
Posts: 4,214
That may be true. However, that's not the reason for the policy change. Were that the reason for the policy change, DL would have simply charged the fee for any change to origin/destination and/or redeposit, all the time, with perhaps a grace period (change within X days of purchase and/or at least X days from travel). Charge the fee all the time - no two freebies - but no fee for changes with the same origin destination. It is the blatantly obvious solution that fixes the claimed problem while preserving a good deal of the value of the benefit for the travelers. It is so obvious it took me literally 10 seconds to come up with it. And DL would then have obviously and accurately communicated the change.
But as we know, that's not what DL did. First they just stuck a fee on there for ALL changes no matter what, and they announced it in the middle of a marketing email. When there was considerable backlash, they adopted a two-free-changes policy, but never actually communicated in detail how that would work. Changes to two reservations? Changes to two tickets? Two changes even if to the same reservation? It's months later and I think we STILL don't have a clear answer on that issue.
But as we know, that's not what DL did. First they just stuck a fee on there for ALL changes no matter what, and they announced it in the middle of a marketing email. When there was considerable backlash, they adopted a two-free-changes policy, but never actually communicated in detail how that would work. Changes to two reservations? Changes to two tickets? Two changes even if to the same reservation? It's months later and I think we STILL don't have a clear answer on that issue.
Cumulatively the changes this year represent a very substantial devaluation of Elite benefits. From here on out one is going to have to spend more money and miles for less valuable awards than before. And the way they have handled the new Platinum elite award ticket fees has been horrible.
#233
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: SFO
Programs: DL DM/MM; UA Premier 1K; AA EXP; ICH Plat Ambassador
Posts: 1,565
And your response to someone in a UA hub is?
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#234
FlyerTalk Evangelist & Ambassador: China




Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA 1K, AA Exp, HH Dia, WOH Glob, IHG Plat, Marriott Gold, NA EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 17,494
Amen!
Cumulatively the changes this year represent a very substantial devaluation of Elite benefits. From here on out one is going to have to spend more money and miles for less valuable awards than before. And the way they have handled the new Platinum elite award ticket fees has been horrible.
Cumulatively the changes this year represent a very substantial devaluation of Elite benefits. From here on out one is going to have to spend more money and miles for less valuable awards than before. And the way they have handled the new Platinum elite award ticket fees has been horrible.
A change to two people on the same PNR at the same time is considered one change. But call again tomorrow with another change, it's change #2.
#235
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: MSP
Programs: Fallen Plats, ex-WN CP, DYKWIW; still PAL Premier Elite & Hilton Diamond
Posts: 25,429
The "program as a whole" includes how we've been dealt with in the past.
#236

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,387
It happens more often than not - to me at least. I'll sometimes readily agree to an agent's suggestion, but in hindsight later in the day, realise that I'd prefer something a little different - like getting a slightly earlier flight.
#237




Join Date: May 2003
Programs: ZaeroPlan 0
Posts: 1,999
I'm actually pleasantly surprised. It appears that all fares including the sLUT's and KVQ's or whatever they are on NW metal will still get unlimited EUAs which had been a big fear. I really like the rollover EQMs.
I think the programme is strong and these enhancements positive for a cross section of the programme, specifically those at Silver/Gold status, and those who travel primarily within North and Central America and the Caribbean.
Because I live in Canada, I do not get the many extra elite miles earned by the various Delta credit card promos, so ALL my earned miles are 'bum in seat'. Therefore I can hit Gold comfortably but Plat is a stretch. Because of this, for me personally, the SWU's are therefore a non-issue.
I think the programme is strong and these enhancements positive for a cross section of the programme, specifically those at Silver/Gold status, and those who travel primarily within North and Central America and the Caribbean.
Because I live in Canada, I do not get the many extra elite miles earned by the various Delta credit card promos, so ALL my earned miles are 'bum in seat'. Therefore I can hit Gold comfortably but Plat is a stretch. Because of this, for me personally, the SWU's are therefore a non-issue.
Does anybody else remember this or was this just wishful thinking on my part? For me as a Canadian, such lounge access would be great and partly compensate for the various lounger offers that are not valid in Canada.
#239




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: EAU
Programs: UA 1K, CO Plat, NW Plat, Marriott Premiere Plat, SPG Plat, Priority Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 4,761
One times three is three. I was not awarded either a 2x base miles bonus nor a 2x normally accrued miles bonus. I was awarded a 1.5x base miles bonus. A 1.5x bonus plus 1x base = 2.5x, not 3x.
Note that DL flyers were actually awarded a 2x base miles bonus. Apparently only DL's own frequent fliers are entitled to correct math, since they actually received 0.5x more MQMs than all of us lowly NW fliers.
Of course, even the DL fliers only received 2.5x normally accrued miles, so I still find the promotion misleading even for them, but there's at least a defensible mathematical argument there (they did not include the class of service bonus in the calculation).
Note that DL flyers were actually awarded a 2x base miles bonus. Apparently only DL's own frequent fliers are entitled to correct math, since they actually received 0.5x more MQMs than all of us lowly NW fliers.
Of course, even the DL fliers only received 2.5x normally accrued miles, so I still find the promotion misleading even for them, but there's at least a defensible mathematical argument there (they did not include the class of service bonus in the calculation).
#240
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 22,778
One times three is three. I was not awarded either a 2x base miles bonus nor a 2x normally accrued miles bonus. I was awarded a 1.5x base miles bonus. A 1.5x bonus plus 1x base = 2.5x, not 3x.
Note that DL flyers were actually awarded a 2x base miles bonus. Apparently only DL's own frequent fliers are entitled to correct math, since they actually received 0.5x more MQMs than all of us lowly NW fliers.
Of course, even the DL fliers only received 2.5x normally accrued miles, so I still find the promotion misleading even for them, but there's at least a defensible mathematical argument there (they did not include the class of service bonus in the calculation).
Note that DL flyers were actually awarded a 2x base miles bonus. Apparently only DL's own frequent fliers are entitled to correct math, since they actually received 0.5x more MQMs than all of us lowly NW fliers.
Of course, even the DL fliers only received 2.5x normally accrued miles, so I still find the promotion misleading even for them, but there's at least a defensible mathematical argument there (they did not include the class of service bonus in the calculation).

