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LTRS Aug 20, 2005 10:20 am


Originally Posted by CaseyN2
Wow, I think it is time to recommend you for a medal or have a statue made of you. I think you desirve that.

Casey.

It's called enlightened self interest. So no, I don't deserve a "medal." Supporting companies that strive to drive down wages while management gives themselves a $2 million dollar raise is not in my best interest (nor yours, I would argue).

socrates Aug 20, 2005 10:21 am

Never mind..it's not worth it

JONEZY00 Aug 20, 2005 10:21 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
You want to know real hysteria? Imagine your insurance contribution is cut by 50%, your pension done away with, and your boss telling you that as of tomorrow you are going to make 25% less while half of your co-workers are laid off (so you'll be doing double the work).

How much does Medicare Cover? because thats all the workers will have left if NW goes belly up... Horrible Logic.

HobokenFlyer Aug 20, 2005 10:22 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
You want to know real hysteria? Imagine your insurance contribution is cut by 50%, your pension done away with, and your boss telling you that as of tomorrow you are going to make 25% less while half of your co-workers are laid off (so you'll be doing double the work).

It's extremely easy to say "oh well, tough luck, don't be so hysterical about it" when it's not happening to you. At least for some people, apparently.


I pay my own health insurance and I survive. Pension, what's that? I am the 401(k) generation. Hmmm and Union rules ALWAYS increase efficiencies in operation and all the labor is maxmized for best output. Union rules eliminate, "That's not my job" statements and so forth. I am sure that if the union didn't exist, they really didn't need those half of the employees and their salary would be in line with other mecahnics in the industry.

When times get tough you have to suck it up. In my business, me and my family have taken pay cuts, was not paid commissions, health insurance not paid for and, among other things, our houses mortgaged to get the business through tough times. You do what you have to do to survive. If you are not that emotionally invested, then simply leave. You can't have it both ways.

You can only live off the fat for so long, unions have got so used to it for so long, it's trying to get a junkie off of smack.

- HF

RichMSN Aug 20, 2005 10:22 am


Originally Posted by kpalle
I'd say shame on you for buying into the mechanic union hysteria, and not crossing the picket line.

By not crossing, you are depriving NW of revenue, and if it contributes to NW's demise, then you are partly responsible for putting thousands of hard working employees out of work. Way to go.

I'm with kpalle. Every time I see picketers (or pre-strike picketers as I saw at MSP the other day) I can only think to myself, "Get back to work."

RichMSN Aug 20, 2005 10:25 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
The few are helping the many by refusing to take further cuts. As for your reader's digest article -- the goal in this country since the mid-80's is to break the backs of unions. Why? Because 4% of the population controlling over 50% of the wealth in this country is just not enough for those at the top. If you support that mentality you are sticking a knife in your own back, no matter what you do for a living.

You want to live in a Walmart America, where the 4 major stock holders control $110 billion dollars of wealth while providing their employees with crap benefits and poverty wages? I don't. But, that is where we are headed with this mentality.

Oh, sorry, i didn't realize I was dealing with a socialist. Logic won't work here, then....

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 10:25 am


Originally Posted by socrates
See here might be where you'd alittle confused...most employees these days don't have a pension...they have 401K's and 403B's.....and yes I'm sure I'm providing more productivity than the person in my job 10 years ago so my actual salary is less per output

They don't have pensions because people like you support companies that have stripped them as a benefit. Don't know about you, personally, but these are often the same folks who would like to see SSI done away with (as long as they get theirs). Of course, how they are supposed to shift 15% of their pay to a 401K after a 25% wage cut is their problem, right?

The mentality these days is work 30 or 40 yrs, then go into a corner and die. This so Ma and Pa Walmart can kick back with $110 billion instead of $100 billion in their pocket books.

mjcasta Aug 20, 2005 10:26 am


Originally Posted by psychtobe
I would vote to keep my job at whatever cost... go back to school... and then quit and enter a new career field: like thousands of hard-working Americans do, every day.

You assume that with the 50% staff reduction that you would have a job when this is negotiated. What if you only had 18 years of seniority and your vote would end your job???

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 10:26 am


Originally Posted by RichMSN
Oh, sorry, i didn't realize I was dealing with a socialist. Logic won't work here, then....

I'm a capitalist. Just not a greedy, screw everyone but me capitalist. I believe that mentality has made me wealthy. :)

mikey1003 Aug 20, 2005 10:27 am


Originally Posted by CarolDisney1
I have read them.. HOWEVER, I don't think returning for a maintence issue is inhertenly WRONG! LOL! Maybe it's just me, but I would rather be ALIVE to complain then DEAD becasue someone ignored an issue??? I guess you figure all maintenace is automatically a "ruse" and should be ignored???

The OP did not indicate that the original flight was delayed prior to discovery of the issue or how long the delay was... That would have been valid complaints, but automatically assuming that this was a ploy would be scary!

Carol, two or maybe three weeks ago, we were held for almost 45 minutes while some mechanic went out and foun an ASHTRAY (for armrest) to be replaced. An ASHTRAY

HobokenFlyer Aug 20, 2005 10:27 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
Excellent! Hopefully, that $20K you spent to support union busting will someday pay off and you too will be able to experience the joy of losing a pension, 25% of your salary, and paying 50% more for basic health benefits for the privelege of working for management that make sure their pockets are lined with gold. Good luck with that. :)


Did it ever occur to you that sometimes the people in management make more money than "union" guys is that they are smart enough to manage a large organization well to keep those union guys employed? Hey, there are a ton of turkeys in management also, but the assumption that all of management is twirling their mustaches and counting their money and don't derserve any of their salaries is ludricrous.

- HF

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 10:29 am


Originally Posted by RichMSN
I'm with kpalle. Every time I see picketers (or pre-strike picketers as I saw at MSP the other day) I can only think to myself, "Get back to work."

Well then, cut to the chase and go in to your boss on Monday morning and say "please give me a 25% pay cut, lay off half my co-workers, and charge me 50% more for my benefits. And those 401K benefits? I'd rather donate them back to the company so you can charge our clients less and still get really, really rich."

Let us know how that does. I am sure your boss will be delighted to accomodate you.

LucWise Aug 20, 2005 10:30 am

I'm all for controling the number of strike threads... but it makes it 4 million times harder to follow a thread when like 14 threads have all been thrown together into one. The Mods would have been better off just locking the other threads and picking one to be the strike thread.

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 10:33 am


Originally Posted by HobokenFlyer
Did it ever occur to you that sometimes the people in management make more money than "union" guys is that they are smart enough to manage a large organization well to keep those union guys employed? Hey, there are a ton of turkeys in management also, but the assumption that all of management is twirling their mustaches and counting their money and don't derserve any of their salaries is ludricrous.

- HF

If they are all so damn smart, why are they on the brink of BK? If they are all so damn smart, why do all of them, industry wide, jump on the bandwagon of charging less for a flight than it costs the airline to provide it? What's smart about that?

And why are they more important than the people who keep the planes from crashing to the ground and killing the customers?

mikey1003 Aug 20, 2005 10:33 am

What impact is the strike having on travel???
 
The "Strike is on" thread seems to be a discussion on the pros and cons of the strike...NOT THE IMPACT ON THE FLYING PUBLIC...US.

Please use this thread for real information so that we can plan accordingly.

Thank you,

Mike


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