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H2O_Goalie Aug 20, 2005 9:03 am

I'd find another job (as I've already done in the past). Last time I checked, union members didn't have guns held to their heads, forcing them to stay in that specific job/field.

MikeMpls Aug 20, 2005 9:04 am

Do you have to paste this in as a response to every post? Once is enough.


Originally Posted by mjcasta
Reagrdless of your position on the strike . . .

This is not a debate on who is right or wrong . . .

What would you do??

a. Your job asks your office of 100 people to vote on eliminating the positions of half your co-workers. Keep in mind that your office used to have 200 workers and half have already been eliminated . . . .

b. You are comfortable that you may survive the purge; but, will need to expect a paycheck which is 30% less than it was last week.

c. You will now need to make a 60% larger contribution to your insurance policies which further reduces your net pay.

d. Keep in mind that you have over 20 years of service to your company for this part . . . Your traditional pension will be eliminated and you will now be placed into a defined pension and/or 401K program. The average loss of value is around 40% and you will now need to contribute at least 15% of your pay to the 401K as retirement is around the corner.

e. You will now need to further commmute to work as stations and positions will be eliminated through base closing and consolidation. At what point does relocating your family or becoming a stranger to your kids become just not worth it.

When you add it up, the actual loss in net pay is around 45-55%.

Sooooo, what would you do????


USA_flyer Aug 20, 2005 9:05 am

"After months of talks broke off in Washington just before midnight Friday, union spokesman Jim Young said the mechanics would rather see the airline go into bankruptcy than agree to Northwest's terms. "

Sorry if I'm late to th thread and this has already been discussed but how damn rude. These people don't care two hoots about the livelihoods of the 30,000 remaining NW employees and imho NW should keep using these replacement workers and fire the strikers. People with that attitude are not to be trusted.

To those who refuse to fly NW because of this, more fool you. :td: :td: :td:

Gargoyle Aug 20, 2005 9:06 am


Originally Posted by H2O_Goalie
Regardless of the circumstances, Mr. Sutton's feelings demonstrate an amazing lack of "Chrisitian ideal" (if you will...I'm not casting from a religious but rather a moral sense). I realize that his job is on the line (as are most jobs in this day and age). That doesn't excuse his wish to make the lives of others "hell". As I wrote earlier...IMO karma has a way of catching up to people. I suspect it will be biting Mr. Sutton on firmly any time now.

The karma is a matter of perspective. From Mr. Sutton's viewpoint, the replacement worker is attacking him, taking his job, taking food off his table. It is not uncommon for people to want to fight back and defend themselves when they feel attacked. Turning the other cheek is all well and good, but how can you call it "unchristian" for Mr. Sutton to be so angry at the the replacement workers? I'm sure if Mr. Sutton was less scared and upset he could find subtler ways to accomplish this. However, I'd wager that in a similar situation you would also fight tooth and nail to protect your position and to keep putting food on your table.

As was pointed out above, without the participation of the replacement workers, this strike would be entirely different- I doubt management would have forced the issue. The replacement workers have made a moral and personal decision that they want to feed themselves at the expense of someone else. Is that "unchristian" or pragmatic? It all depends on your point of view, but you're limiting yourself to one narrow point of view.

It's quite possible on this issue that everyone is right and everyone is wrong at the same time... in negotiations you have to look at things through the other sides eyes to understand the options and come up with solutions.

exymer Aug 20, 2005 9:06 am


Originally Posted by mjcasta
Wages for Custodians Cleaners range from $8.67 - $15.55 hour after 10 years.

From the Detroit Free Press:

The average salary of a mechanic is $70,000; the salary for an aircraft cleaner is about $42,900.

Assuming a 40 hour work week, which I admit may not be accurate, thats an AVERAGE of $21 and hour for all the cleaners. So please try to be a little accurate in your wage quotes.

Traveller Aug 20, 2005 9:07 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
Yeah, and if the NW mechanics were as smart as all the FT'ers they would work for FREE instead of giving back a mere $100 million! That way, no matter how badly mismanaged the company was they would be able to keep their jobs and still have a company to work for!! ;)

Who is asking them to work for FREE?

H2O_Goalie Aug 20, 2005 9:09 am

I've already been faced with a similar situation in my life Gargoyle. My response was to take a hard look at the circumstances and change careeres. An option the NW mechanics have open to them.

Bottom line...working is about putting food on the table. If one person is "too good" for a job/pay scale (as the union members seem to be) then someone else will fill that job.

MikeMpls Aug 20, 2005 9:11 am


Originally Posted by Derrico
....lol your mother in law misses a flight and now you want like 4000 people who just want a pension, to have complete financial ruin. Then you will have "fun" while you watch them going to the unemployment line. ^ You are kind of a bitter little person aren't you? :D

They priced themselves out of the market. Given a chance to rectify the situation, they flipped NW the bird.

One of their leaders was even quoted as telling the union membership that this was their chance to "screw NW". They forgot to check which way the air wrench was aimed before they torqued it down.

The union hacks will be whining for a while, but this will all pass.

SRQ Guy Aug 20, 2005 9:11 am


Originally Posted by mjcasta
Sooooo, what would you do????

I would either suck it up and take the paycut or seek another job.

MisterNice Aug 20, 2005 9:12 am

BebackNaminute, thanks for the update. It seems cooler header can prevail.

MisterNice

COKEpusher30000 Aug 20, 2005 9:13 am


Originally Posted by H2O_Goalie
Poopdeck90210, I agree wholeheartedly (another IT guy here). Suck it up, buttercup (mechanics). Like it or not, the world economy has changed. Pretending that we're still living in the 70s and 80s doesn't make it so.

I wonder if you will feel the same way when greedy Nw messes with your precious f/Flyer BENEFITS... I heard Southwest is going to add 14 first class seats on all its planes and give it away for free just to keep its employees wages and benefits in check.. anyone hear this??

MNSooner Aug 20, 2005 9:13 am

With little to lose, I'd find another career field. And join the strike.

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 9:14 am


Originally Posted by kpalle
I'd say shame on you for buying into the mechanic union hysteria, and not crossing the picket line.

By not crossing, you are depriving NW of revenue, and if it contributes to NW's demise, then you are partly responsible for putting thousands of hard working employees out of work. Way to go.

Yes, I definitely AM depriving NW of revenue, and very deliberately. As we are constantly reminded, we have choices when we fly, and I'll not spend my dollars with a company who expects their workers to give up pensions, insurance, and accept huge pay cuts to make up for executive mismanagement.

SRQ Guy Aug 20, 2005 9:15 am


Originally Posted by COKEpusher30000
I wonder if you will feel the same way when greedy Nw messes with your precious f/Flyer BENEFITS...


Since the frquent flyer program is profitable, I doubt they'll mess with it much.

yogimax Aug 20, 2005 9:16 am

I would not claim to be impartial when I have a clear bias. I would also stop posting this identical thread all over the place!


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