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socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:47 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
Yes, I definitely AM depriving NW of revenue, and very deliberately. As we are constantly reminded, we have choices when we fly, and I'll not spend my dollars with a company who expects their workers to give up pensions, insurance, and accept huge pay cuts to make up for executive mismanagement.

So you're saying you're taking Amtrak instead?

BTW: Management alone didn't get the airline industry into the position they are in today....the unions could have very easily said "no, please, don't pay us so much, don't agree to our demands for strict work rules, we want the airline to survive"

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:48 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
I don't belong to any union. I own a business that realizes that the people who work for it are our greatest asset and deserve to be treated well, for their sakes AND the sake of the business.

As any student of history knows, if it weren't for unions the standard of living in this country would not be anywhere near what it is. We'd all still be working for slave wages like in the days of the robber barons. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't very good students of history and forget that. Either that, or they have a "well I got mine, too bad for you" mentality. :)

So you're suggesting that we all believe that you are paying union scale?

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:50 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
They agreed to over $100 million in concessions. I admire them for saying enough is enough.

Too bad they only view it as a one way street, unlike the pilots union who were smart enough to realize the street goes in many directions and it's better to be in your seat with your seat belt fastened than sitting out on the wing

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 9:51 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy
I have about $20k left for the year. I'll throw most of that to them. :)

Excellent! Hopefully, that $20K you spent to support union busting will someday pay off and you too will be able to experience the joy of losing a pension, 25% of your salary, and paying 50% more for basic health benefits for the privelege of working for management that make sure their pockets are lined with gold. Good luck with that. :)

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:52 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
You want to know real hysteria? Imagine your insurance contribution is cut by 50%, your pension done away with, and your boss telling you that as of tomorrow you are going to make 25% less while half of your co-workers are laid off (so you'll be doing double the work).

It's extremely easy to say "oh well, tough luck, don't be so hysterical about it" when it's not happening to you. At least for some people, apparently.

Think Eastern Airlines...Think PanAm....Think Tower Air....Thank TWA (yes they were bought by AA but most of them have since been laid off).....think ok something is better than nothing.....think OMG the economics of the industry have changed but I'm going to refuse to see it and demand to be paid as if nothing has changed...think fuzzy math

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:53 am


Originally Posted by H2O_Goalie
Great...they said "enough is enough". The trouble is:
1. The airline doesn't think that's enough.
2. The airline can very likely replace them and continue operations.

But I hear that McDonald's and Caribou are hiring.

I know they have lots of Caribou's in MSP but I don't recall seeing them in DTW or MEM so hopefully they'll be expanding soon to take advantage of the great availability for $60K coffee servers :D

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 9:53 am


Originally Posted by socrates
So you're suggesting that we all believe that you are paying union scale?

I pay much better than union scale. And it pays off well for me. I have the best trained workers in the industry and they are extremely loyal. They have helped me grow my business 25-30% every year for the past 6 yrs. People are a company's greatest asset.

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 9:55 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy
Darn, if it only weren't for those pesky competitors. LOL!

Their competitors are going BK as well (or will) for the same reason. It's a race to the bottom and we all lose.

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:57 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy
Darn, if it only weren't for those pesky competitors. LOL!

I know....gosh darn SWA et al...how dare they not play by the union/legacy carrier's rule book....LRTS you should refuse to fly them too....on second thought...the auto industry is doing the same thing the air industry is doing...you better walk instead

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:57 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
Great! Be sure to pick up about $9K worth to make up for me. :)

Be Glad too...I have a choice of purchasing a BC ticket on NW/DL/CO.....NW here I come!
PS It's actually 2...that should more than cover your $9K

socrates Aug 20, 2005 9:59 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
Excellent! Hopefully, that $20K you spent to support union busting will someday pay off and you too will be able to experience the joy of losing a pension, 25% of your salary, and paying 50% more for basic health benefits for the privelege of working for management that make sure their pockets are lined with gold. Good luck with that. :)

See here might be where you'd alittle confused...most employees these days don't have a pension...they have 401K's and 403B's.....and yes I'm sure I'm providing more productivity than the person in my job 10 years ago so my actual salary is less per output

LTRS Aug 20, 2005 9:59 am


Originally Posted by socrates
So you're saying you're taking Amtrak instead?

BTW: Management alone didn't get the airline industry into the position they are in today....the unions could have very easily said "no, please, don't pay us so much, don't agree to our demands for strict work rules, we want the airline to survive"

I have a better idea -- why doesn't management take a cut?

"Eagan-based Northwest Airlines is taking heat from laid-off workers, union leaders and even Gov. Tim Pawlenty over executive pay increases. Last week, Northwest announced it was cutting nearly 5,000 jobs due to the war in Iraq. Less than a week later, the company disclosed its two top executives saw pay increases last year totalling nearly $2 million, a year the company lost almost $800 million."

socrates Aug 20, 2005 10:01 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
People are a company's greatest asset.

I agree 100%, but greed can change things very quickly

yogimax Aug 20, 2005 10:01 am


Originally Posted by mjcasta
Do I support this strike?? I honestly do not believe there was a choice. .

Sure there was a choice! The union could have accepted NW's offer or bargained with the understanding that NW is losing $4million/day and drastic remedies were needed! Would it be fair? Would it in the best interest of my family? Would it mean, as a mechanic with seniority, that my job and benefits would continue, albeit at a lower level? All these questions, as well as others, needed to be evaluated and a decision made.

Yes, absolutely, there was a choice. Unfortunately, the wrong choice was made by the union!

socrates Aug 20, 2005 10:02 am


Originally Posted by LTRS
I have a better idea -- why doesn't management take a cut?

"Eagan-based Northwest Airlines is taking heat from laid-off workers, union leaders and even Gov. Tim Pawlenty over executive pay increases. Last week, Northwest announced it was cutting nearly 5,000 jobs due to the war in Iraq. Less than a week later, the company disclosed its two top executives saw pay increases last year totalling nearly $2 million, a year the company lost almost $800 million."

Management DID take a cut, at the same time the pilots did

So how many times greater is your salary than your lowest paid employee?


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